GamblerGORD53

Mavic rims suck. TMO
Get Velocity Dyads.

bikerbobbbb

I do remember when the cxp22 Mavic specs page was up that they didn't have any info on spoke tension. That would be nice. I've got a spoke tension meter.

I want a double walled rim with double eyelets if possible, if it's under $100 per rim I guess. I'd liked that Mavic was supposed to be rugged enough and still affordable. I'm concerned about getting from Point A to B, not so much about weight or being the lightest possible rim. I am concerned about having them stand up to having weight on the bike, not having to mess with repairing it (as little time as possible), not being over $100 per rim, being able to handle my wheel building (never done it) and spoke tensioning (not an expert but I got the current wheel true).


I'd like to keep using my same tires. 700 x38c is what I've gotten. I think the specs page for my bike lists 700x35. When I researched years ago x38c was supposed to be ok too. These tires on this current 32-spoke Mavic cxp22 rim have always seems fatter than the rim, like they were bulging out. I asked here, and people said it was ok. Fatter tires are ok for the weight and for driving through snow. These current tires are as thin as I'd want for snow.

Ronno6

+1 For the Velocity Dyads.
Those rims are meant for loaded touring and perform very well.

Other than that, I have way too sort an attention span to read the OP's posts.......

Good luck to him, even though history has shown that he will disregard good advice.......

bikerbobbbb

https://leonard.io/edd/howtomeasure
Measuring. Maybe I get the rims and hub and measure first before getting the spokes....
"Effective Rim Diameter (ERD) is the diameter on which you want the ends of the spokes to lie. Most people prefer it near the end of the spoke nipple. If you want to measure your own rim (recommended, just to be sure), then follow these instructions:"

https://www.bikerumor.com/2011/12/07...eavier-riders/
Zack@Mavic mentions the A719 model I was looking at.
"with 36 or more spokes, laced 3-cross, and using a sturdy rim like the A719. A719 is the benchmark rim for the trekking and tour market (All Road). It uses all the signature Mavic technologies: SUP welding, 19mm internal width, UB Control machined braking surface, Maxtal alloy. It’s double eyeleted and super strong."


https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/a-719-j24400.html
a719
Recommended tire widths: 28 to 47 mm
? How do I know what tires that matches though....?

Hm.
https://www.mavic.com/sites/default/...echart_eng.pdf
Looks like the tire size column converts...
28mm must be around 1.1"
47mm is 1.75" inch listed here.





Velocity Dyads looked interesting with more than 36 spokes.
Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
36 holes possible, also has 40 and 48 holes.
OPTIMAL TIRE WIDTH: 25mm - 38mm
Nothing for their video except ominous music.
Looks like no eyelet, but that's what I've got now too... Lasted five years.
And two votes here for Velocity Dyads.
I wonder if they have the Velocity Dyad model... but with double eyelets. That with 48 holes would be the strongest I've seen. Build once, never have to mess with wheels again maybe, or not for years at least.



Shrade valve too. Not critical, but I'd like to stick with that. Looks like the rim determine shrader vs. presta valves.


Looks like Velocity have no eyelets.
Eyelets in rims
Velocity Dyad's mentioned again, and the Mavic A719.
Sounds like Velocity doesn't matter so much for not having eyelets.

Interesting find.
https://www.bikeforums.net/touring/26...uring-rim.html
"A319's are triple hollow rims, heavier, stouter and cheaper."
"The Dyads are fine. some complain of fractures at the spoke holes (no eyelets) but other wheelbuilders feel the lack of eyelets build a more precise, stronger wheel by eliminating the eyelet.2 schools of thought."
On A719's... "I have a set on my touring bike that I've ridden over 10,000km and not broken a spoke and only trued them once. I weigh 230lbs and carry a 40 to 50 lb. load."
"Your wheel will break down at the weakest point in your system."
-- This is what I was thinking. Since I got the spokes, etc. trued up better, the next weak point may have been the rim.
"must be used in sufficient spoke numbers (36 on 700C) to properly support the thinner rim. "
??? "One pair of new A719, 40 spoke, black." 40 spoke Mavic A719's?
Very hm....
https://wheelworks.co.nz/white-indus...-a719-40-hole/


Sounds like it gets in personal preference, voodoo (arguments/personal experience/person beliefs on the science/but no one can really prove their side until it's actually studied), and "it doesn't matter" A719 vs. Velody, esp. if Velocity has 48 hole rims.


Mavics must not make A719 with 40 holes anymore.
https://eurocycles.com/mavic-touring...40h-700c-4175/
MAVIC TOURING RIMS - A719 BLACK 40H 700C (4175)

I just can't find a Mavic A719 40h to actually buy easily....




https://www.bikeforums.net/touring/57...-40h-700c.html
More A719 v. Velocity Dyad discussion here.

I wonder about find a 40h or 48h hub if I got the Velocity Dyads (or something Velocity, if they make even stronger rims).
Possibly... 36h might be more standard, easier to find parts, like the hub.


I'm just not finding any A719 with 40h I can actually buy.

https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/a-719-j24400.html
Wondering if these are sharde or presta....


Haha... Unless I buy from Germany.
https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/...e-black-197766
Mavic
A 719 Rim 40-Hole black


Mavic... without mentioning number of holes. Probably 32 based ont he site guide and if it doesn't say.
Mavic A 719 700C Rim > Components > Wheel Parts > Rims | Jenson USA


It does look like it's possible to get the A719s with 36h.
MAVIC A-719 700C BLACK RIM - prowheelbuilder.com



https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/wheelswh...black/?geoc=US
"700c (622) Wheelset 36h Mavic A719 Rims with Shimano Deore Hubs in Black."
That might answer the hub question. Deore hubs they went with...



**** And I would need rim tape. New rims wouldn't come with that I would think.


Dang. Not available.
https://www.amazon.com/Mavic-2012-A7...?tag=leosm1-20
Mavic 2012 A719 Alloy Rim - 29er, 36H, Black MSW
It's funny how it doesn't come in a search, unless it's because not available.


Nice.
https://www.amazon.com/Velocity-Dyad.../dp/B001GSOOZM
Velocity Dyad Rim, 700c 48h Silver
Color: Silver
Weight: 480
Hub Drilling: 48
Rim Depth: 22
Manufacturer Spec ERD: 597
??? Presta volve again though.


Someone searching for a 48h hub.
https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-me...-rear-hub.html

Wheels | Parts and Accessories | Surly Bikes

Retro Grouch 

Since you are looking at 40 hole rims, I have a pair of never used 40 hole Velocity Fusion rims that I will sell to you for $50.00 for the pair including shipping. That's like buy one -get one free. PM me if you are interested.

wphamilton

@bikerbobbbb I admire your goal of building your own wheels. I just buy mine, but may I offer a suggestion on this initial planning stage?

There is a danger of getting lost in the weeds with research, with all of the possible choices of wheel building. If you will choose a specific hub, spokes and rim now, post links to the exact items you would buy, people here could evaluate your plan and you'd have an immediate go/no go or else possibly suggestions to improve your design. It would be a lot more organized, and give people a shot at specific detailed advice.

AlexCyclistRoch

Oh, goody; this thread's been resurrected.....

AlexCyclistRoch

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Homebrew01

While we're on the topic, stop posting in this thread too.
Thanks

trailangel

Hey, I like it when you post. Let us please have some reality checks.

bikerbobbbb

Thinking on the Mavic direction....

A719 rims
- specs say UST tape only
- tires are unknown but probably fine
- Presta I could live with. There's probably an adapter available.
I think I found two hubs that worked, but maybe the deore one, assuming more money is more quality
Cassete I was using works with that I think.
Say 90+90 for two rims, $10 for tape, $55+55 for two hubs, maybe $40+40 for spokes...
$200 per wheel? $400 total. I'd hope I wouldn't have to mess with wheels for 5+ years.
Hopefully my tires and inner tubes would still work with those, but that's minor.
Although that's really $200 for the wheel which seems to be the most abused part of the bike. The other $200 is for keeping the bike running while I work on the other wheel, a running bike and less stress from *having* to do a repair and *having* to get the bike working again in about 6 hours.


Other, less known option....
Velocity
Dyad was mentioned but it looked like there were others.
No eyelets on Velocity
but if I did 48 spokes that might not matter. It's still double walled.
Hub is unknown. Surly was one brand mentioned.
Tire width unknown but buyable or fine for what I have.
Ditto with inner tube. I could live with Presta.
I'd need to spec something out that's actually purchaseable.
The 48 spokes makes me wonder if I'm locking myself into more of a niche too. 36 spokes sound more standard and like something that can be swapped around for parts, ie swap in a different 36hole hub later if needed.


There seems to be a purchaseable path for the Mavic, although there probably are more. I think tire width was hanging me up.

And it might not matter. In which case 36-spoke Mavic sounds "easier" in that it's more standard. It would be interesting to know 36-spoke Mavic A719 vs. Velocity 'something' 48 spoke for which is "better," which can take more abuse, more weight, etc.

I also wonder if I strengthen the wheel (although it should still have some flex with double butted spokes) what would be the next weakest point to break on the bike. I'm thinking if something breaks on the bike frame itself. Then the whole bike is shot, and I start over from scratch. Except I'm already invested in this current bike. I'd get something similar I suppose so I could reuse things as much as possible.


On Amazon, I could order the nipple drivers and a screwdriver set I found that has a notch in it for screwing in nipples possibly.

Time pressure-wise, I could get the Mavic A719 set up sooner than if everything is purchaseable and should work together.

48 spokes is an extra 12 spokes per wheel? Only on the back wheel though. I don't think I've done anything or had any issues ever with the front wheel, except flat tires now and then. I wonder how much effect it would have to beef up the front wheel, but the front wheel isn't having any issues apparently. Unless there's a way to spread more of the load to the front wheel....
- Hmm... This might be it. Say am I tensioning wheels too much. If I get a 48 spoke wheel without eyelets and overtensions them, if one spoke pulls through again... I've wasted the whole, more expensive, rim. And that would be two rims destroyed from over tensioning. I would think double eyelets on the Mavic would allow for more error in overtensioning. Mavic doesn't spec the spoke tension though. Velocity may have that info.

It would be worth looking at Velocity more, just to try to spec something out. Double check Mavic A719s more. And search for something else through Mavic or another rim manufacturer too maybe. I did find other posts where people were looking for the same thing.



Maybe I'll give it another week and then make the purchase. I'm 100% serious about getting the 36+ spokes rear wheel and building it myself. I've got control over it, know the parts, can figure out what went wrong, and I'm giving no business to the condescending local bike shop. I think I did ok truing up what I have now. Their wheel last five years. I should be able to recreate the same thing and get five years off a wheel I build myself (double that if I build two at once). After the purchase, another week to get parts in... So maybe I'd be looking at building these wheels (I'd probably just build one at a time to focus on it and have at least one ridable as soon as possible) around March 15th. Possibly I could have both wheels done by April 1st and be done with it. Adjusting shifting might be needed with the 135mm hub. And my right shifter/handlebar part might need to be replaced or someone said flushing it out might get it working better. ...So if my current blown out rim can last until April 1st, that would be good. I imagine for damage that's one spoke shot completely, so there's wobble. The others will get more wear and start loosening so it would be less and less true... until it hits the brakes or splash guard to the point the wheel won't turn. Or, considering there's zero tension on that one spoke (or just the amount of the tension the blown our rim is still providing), that's still very little tension on one spoke... It could be ridable for longer as it is, or I'm wondering if it might taco on me, but I'm doubting that.

dabac

Since Schräder valves are bigger than Presta valves, the adapter to use a Schräder tube in a Presta-drilled rim is called a drill bit.

Although, given the choice, I prefer to use a reamer or a rat tail file.

Invent an adapter that lets you fit bigger stuff through smaller holes and you're are set for life.

HillRider

Folks, PLEASE stop responding and let this thread die a merciful death. Nothing you try to tell the OP registers.

bikerbobbbb

Probably add another 1-2 weeks onto my estimate. I'd need to get the rim and hub in hand, double check measurements, and get my spoke length calculated for sure with parts in hand.

velocity
dyad
48 spoke
surly hub?
Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
X700c
X- only 32 or 36 hole for this rim.
Xno eyelets
XProbably a decent rim, but if it's 36 hole and no eyelets, why not the Mavic A719, although Xthat is more expensive?
Xwhat are the 48 hole rims?
Xhttps://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims

Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
- presta
- is 27" = 700c???

X Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
X- 36h, but it's offset

Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
- 48h
- presta

X Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
X - 27" again. this isn't double walled. just an unusual design compared to the others.
X Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
X - dyad, 27", 48h

Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
- dyad, 700c, presta
- and only 40h. If I'm going to go >36h, I'd probably go with 48h. why bother with 40h?

Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
- 48h
- presta.... velocity seems to be nearly all presta

Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
- interesting. extra thick walls?
- 48h
- presta
- OPTIMAL TIRE WIDTH: 28mm - 45mm
- this one sounds tougher.
- I wonder if I might end up with a wheel/tire that's too fat for my bike though potentially.
1 inch = 25.4mm
28mm = 1.1"
45mm = 1.77"
- I think this rim would probably take my current tire and not make me think the tire is too wide for the rim.
- Although, if I'm using 1.75" tires now, and this rim goes up to that... It must fit.

The taller rims make me wonder if my inner tube stems will make it through.

Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
- 48h
- widest I've seen I think... OPTIMAL TIRE WIDTH: 45mm - 65mm
- presta

I wonder what the difference between machine walled is? I would think machines aren't as good as hand made, if the non-machine is hand made, but machined is more expensive.

That gives me about six 48h rims from Velocity.

If I found Mavic cxp22 specs, I could compare against that.

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Hubs?
Surly was mentioned in a post.
Wheels | Parts and Accessories | Surly Bikes
I'd need a 48h hub.

Surly's site is kind of vague.

Hm. I guess Surly's out.
"forged body single speed hubs. We don’t make hubs that take gear clusters."

Not sure where to find a 48h hub that takes 8 gear cassettes. Where to get a 48h hub that works with an 8 speed cassette?
- and is 135mm
hub 48h 8 speed 135mm
- with quick release skewer style


https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-me...-rear-hub.html
Recommendation for a 48h rear hub
- What is flip flop? You can put the hub on either way, left-right?

So close... 32h for my original hub...
Shimano FH-RM30 Rear Hub - 8-Speed, 135mm, 32H, QR, Black

Hey... but it's out of stock.
Shimano Rear FH-2200 8/9 Speed Hub - 36H Black
Shimano Rear Fh-2200 8/9-Speed Hub - 36H, Black
$24.23
- not on amazon... probably not available.

more hubs here...
Rims, Wheels & Parts - Hubs - Road - Rear Road Hubs - Page 1 - Niagara Cycle
- or not. I'm not paying over $100 for a hub, more like $50-ish tops.

This may be answering my question of 36 vs. 48 if I'm not finding a 48h hub. I saw some posts about having them custom made. And I saw posts about them being for tandems. Maybe a 48h hub is more for a single speed too.

No luck finding a 48h hub, with 8 speed cassette possibility, with skewer possible, at 135mm.
- I saw a 140mm hub. I wouldn't buy it but I'm curious if you could jam one in, if it would hold in place better. Or maybe that puts more wear on the fork/frame itself, 5mm of wear.

=======================
Back to a 36h hub....
Sticking with shimano
shimano 36h 135mm skewer 8 speed hub

I do find my original RH-RM30 36h hub, but it's not available.

https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-XT-T7.../dp/B006EPOWRM
Shimano XT T780 Rear Hub - 8/10-Speed, 36H, QR, Black
$66.91
- rim brake, not disc
- what the width? 135mm?

Ah, QR for quick release....

Now would be the time to get disc brakes if I wanted but that's more work.
- That would allow for the zip tie snow tire tread idea though.


Sticking with Amazon...


Ah... and the original FH-RM30 was Free Hub-RM30... what's the RM then?

Many Shimano 36h hubs on Amazon... This is putting the Mavic A719 set up in the lead.
- Or not.... Many 36h Shimano hubs, but not quite what I'm looking for still...
- maybe I've found two, but width is unknown.


https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-Alivi...6h+8+speed+hub
Shimano Alivio T4000 36h Rear Hub, Black
$27.83
Cassette Body Type: Shimano/SRAM 8, 9, 10 Speed
- what's the width? 135mm?


This Deore one is too wide for 36h... 168mm
Shimano Deore Rear Bicycle Freehub - FH-T610
https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-Deore...hub&th=1&psc=1
Ditto...
https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-Deore...6h+8+speed+hub


https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-T670-...mano+36h+135mm
Shimano T670 Hub Rr Shi Fh-t670 Dlx 36 8-10scas Sl Bulk
$39.86
- width unknown and other T610 was 168mm
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/hubs-cas...-hole/?geoc=US
- commenter says t670 is only available in 135mm


This one looks very interesting.
https://www.amazon.com/Shimano-XT-M7...mano+36h+135mm
Shimano XT-M770 rear Q/R hub, 135mm x 36h - sil
$54.61

Maybe I'll end up with a better hub than the original RM-30 this way. It will be new at least.


wondering what that UST rim tape is for the Maic A719's, if it's for tubeless tires or something.



If I got the rims... 2 of those.
2 hubs...
(rim tape x2 wheels)
(nipple screwdrive, slotted screwdrivers)
1 cassette same as before (and then I've got the cassette off my current bike
(reusing skewers off my current bike)
(spoke/nipple grease, I already have)
I could order that. It comes in, I double check measurements. Once I know the rim and hub for sure I can take a guess at spoke length. Once I've got those physically in hand I can measure and get exact/known info for spokes lengths.
If it's a 36h rim/hub, that's 18+18, so I'd order something like 25 or maybe 30 of each to have spares. Same as before but probably differen length, double butted. That would be awesome if the length was the same as what I already purchased for the 32h rim/hub. I think I got 25 of those, 25+25.
- Cassette would come from universal with the spokes. Not critical for building the wheel, so that can wait and arrive with the spokes.

Once parts are in, probably build one wheel first.
The new challenge would be weaving the spokes in place. Once that's done and I've got loose spokes, I'm back to a rim/hub with loose spokes. I've been there before for dishing and truing. Once it's dished and trued, I can pop it on and see if the gears still match up. I suppose I could compare the new 135mm hub with the current 130mm hub. I'd rather not take the wheel off if I don't have to but I could to compare hubs and then to clean under the splash guard, etc. better.
- If needed figure out how to adjust the gears for the 135mm hub.
- Then build the second, identical wheel the same way.




not finding anything with 48h idea -- Found rims that would probably work, but I'm not finding a hub -- 48h, 135mm, 8 speed possible, with quick release/skewer possible. So I'm leaning more toward the Mavic A719's still, 36 spoke.

trailangel

If you don't know the difference between 27 inch rims and 700c rims, you are not ready to build wheels. You are in way over your head. You are spewing verbal diarrhea.

bikerbobbbb

https://www.tech-mavic.com/tech-mavic...ucts/2_109.pdf
Current Mavic cxp22 rim specs
"19 => 28mm"
Not exactly sure what the => part means.

My current tire is 700 x 38c. It fits, but it looks like it's a little too fat for the rim. I asked here before and someone said it's ok/within spec still.


And someone said that 700x38c will work on the Mavic A719 rims.
https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-me...hese-rims.html


Sounds like the 48 spoke idea is out. I'm running into dead ends or it's going to be special-order and more expensive.
https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-me...hub-exist.html

bikerbobbbb

Tires I've bought in the past few years for reference.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Tire 700 X 38c Bk Kross Plus

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Cross Country / Trekking / Road Tire (Bike / Cycle Tire) 700 x 38c - Black / Gumwall - Super Grippy & Fast Rolling Tread

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Kenda Street K830 Road Tire - 700 x 38c, Wire Bead, Black

bikerbobbbb

So the 48 spoke wheel is still in the running.

Pro
- It's 48 spokes. That can't be much different for building a wheel, 36 vs 48 spokes.
- It's stronger if it's 48 spokes.

Cons
- Only one manufacturer/one model hub here.
- It's tough to find 48h rear hubs, quick release, 135m, 8 speed. What about in the future?
- Potentially there is no future for the bike and these 2017 wheels I'll build outlive the bike frame itself. I might not have to mess with wheels that much for another 10 years.
- Does a 9 speed hub work with my 8 speed cassette?


- silver
HUB RR WM MT1110 QR SF 9sCAS 48x135 SB SL
Wm Rear Hub, Mt1110, Quick-Release, Sf, 9-Speed Cassette, 48x135, Sb, Silver
$50.98

- black
HUB RR WM MT1110 QR SF 9sCAS 48x135 SB BK
Wm Rear Hub, Mt1110, Quick-Release, Sf, 9-Speed Cassette, 48x135, Sb, Black
$50.98

Amusing idea -- If I'm building two identical wheels, get one black and one silver so they're obviously different. Or maybe just the hubs, black vs. silver.


If it's 48 spokes, which rims?
- Velocity had several 48 spoke rims. I would need to double check those.



I think the Mavic A719 spec was left at picking out a hub from the couple I found.

fietsbob

You Want to Pay someone , Or just endlessly speculate?

bikerbobbbb

Nope. I don't want to pay anyone. I want to do it myself. There's no harm speccing things out correctly. It wouldn't be smart not to. Plus, someone else might find this thread in the future, including myself.





48 hub thoughts
- I'm wondering now about Wheel Master, if it's a decent brand.
- I have found a 48h hub that looks like it might work. If the wheels, two, last at least ten years, initially I was thinking I'd want to be able to swap out parts, but instead I could just build a completely new wheel with all new parts, no exact matches (ie finding another 48h hub) needed. Plus I wonder what my bike will be like in ten years or where I'll live, if I'll ride it, etc.
- If I've got enough specced out for a 48 spoke rear wheel, maybe I'll get that instead. That should be as strong as is reasonable without doing anything really custom.


More 48h hubs here but the price is higher I think.
Tandems East Cassettes & Cassette Hubs

bikerbobbbb

Looking at the Velocity 48 spoke rims again since I found a 48h hub.
Pro - Sounds like a decent brand.
Pro - Mentioned in other posts for heavy weight.
Con -- No eyelets, but it might not matter.
Con - Probably presta valves and it sounds like there's not a shrader to presta adapter.


Question -- If I got a 48 spoke wheel, which rim? I looked at rims before. Velocity looked ok. I found the Wheel Master 48h hub.



For reference
https://www.tech-mavic.com/tech-mavic...ucts/2_109.pdf
Current Mavic cxp22 rim specs
"19 => 28mm"
Not exactly sure what the => part means.
- My Mavic cxp22 doesn't have eyelets, so that info is off compared to this sheet. What else is? I could just measure on my bike too.
??? -- Must be about 20.2mm wide?



Looks like five possibilities with Velocity....
NoBS sounds good if it's tougher.
The wide looks interesting too.
Probably won't really matter. Any will probably work.


https://www.amazon.com/Velocity-Dyad.../dp/B001GSOOZM
Velocity Dyad Rim, 700c 48h Silver
Color: Silver
Weight: 480
Hub Drilling: 48
Rim Depth: 22
Manufacturer Spec ERD: 597
??? Presta volve again though.

Unknwon -- I wonder if you can still use shrader inner tubes if the rim is made for presta, if it's just a matter of drilling and sanding out the valve stem hole. I still wouldn't want to mess with that though.

Unknown -- I want the rim to match my current tires at least.
Unknown/pro -- If I were able to get slightly larger tires that still fit the bike fenders, brakes, and frame, that could take more weight too.




Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
Atlas 700c
- 48h
- presta
OPTIMAL TIRE WIDTH: 28mm - 45mm
$90, maybe more if you can only buy polished which is +$30
25.4mm wide



Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
- 48h
- presta.... velocity seems to be nearly all presta
Chukker 700c
24.0mm wide
Looks tall in the pic.
$80 or $85. Machine must be better since it's more expensive?
OPTIMAL TIRE WIDTH: 25mm - 38mm


??? I wonder which of these rims is strongest? ex. If a rim is taller, is it stronger than a wider rim?



Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
- interesting. extra thick walls?
- 48h
- presta
- OPTIMAL TIRE WIDTH: 28mm - 45mm
- this one sounds tougher.
- I wonder if I might end up with a wheel/tire that's too fat for my bike though potentially.
1 inch = 25.4mm
28mm = 1.1"
45mm = 1.77"
- I think this rim would probably take my current tire and not make me think the tire is too wide for the rim.
- Although, if I'm using 1.75" tires now, and this rim goes up to that... It must fit.
NoBS 700c
I remember this one.... " extra thick sidewalls and internal reinforcements against denting. A 15% thicker spoke bed allows for super high tension-reliable wheel builds."
WIDTH: 25.4mm
OPTIMAL TIRE WIDTH: 28mm - 45mm
MSRP: $59.99
pro -- Tougher, but also cheaper?




Velocity Wheels - Hand Made in USA
- 48h
- widest I've seen I think... OPTIMAL TIRE WIDTH: 45mm - 65mm
- presta
Cliffhanger 700c
WIDTH: 30mm
OPTIMAL TIRE WIDTH: 45mm - 65mm
Widest I've seen I think.
$80-90
Pro -- If it fits the bike, fatter tires means more weight distributed and more grip for snow and ice.
Unknown/con--- IF the fatter tire would fit the bike.




Add in a presta adapter or maybe even a presta pump if I go with Velocity.
- Or possibly drill out of the rim so it accepts Shrader.












Six Velocity choices... Dyad is back on the table.


Ah, the Velocity dyad does go up to 48 holes, if it's machine drilled.
48 spoke: Black, Silver

https://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/dyad-622
$80
OPTIMAL TIRE WIDTH: 25mm - 38mm
WIDTH: 24mm
Dyad has been recommended many time I believe.
still presta

AlexCyclistRoch

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bikerbobbbb

I guess the 48 spoke idea is out, Mavics A719 is the top option again.

https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-me...ter-brand.html

Whatever Niagra cycle has on its site is listed as Wheel Master, but that's not the manufacturer. And that's the only sub-$100 hub like that found. A $50 noname hub on one site. Surprised they carry it then. It's possible to find other 48h rear hubs, but those are over $100 or custom builds. That's getting too far out there. Potentially with this Wheel Master hub, I might get it, prep the wheel, and then have it fall apart if the hub is some kind of cheap knock off thing. Posts I found about Wheel Master said they were ok, so-so, not 100% for building things. If this hub has their name on it, then they found it somewhere else. It's too much unknown.



That means Mavics A719 again. The hub still needed to be pinned down. I've got a list here, and it's just checking specs on several. Claris on the low end. Deores, if they're actually a match. And two LX and MX ones I think.

bikerbobbbb

Hey now. That's a misuse of the awkward seal. That text matches the image as well as Wheel Master matches that hub.

AlexCyclistRoch

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