Broken self-extracting bolt retainer
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Broken self-extracting bolt retainer
So I was trying to take off the FSA cranks on my brand new Topstone last night to put my power meter crank on and had a bit of an issue. The FSA cranks use the typical self-extracting bolt but the crank arm is so stuck to the spindle that the bolt broke right through threaded retaining piece that it pushes against to remove the crank arm. So basically I'm screwed right now. The only way I can thing of to remove it is to get out the sawzall and hack off the non drive side arm. Has anyone seen a better solution?
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+1. I learned to not rely on the self-extracting caps as they are generally fairly flimsy for the torque usually needed to remove a crank. Many have bent or broke their self-extractor caps and feckered up the crank threads. Stick with a proper crank puller.
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I've had the crank stay on and the self extracting ring strip the threads out of the crank arm..
so I get rid of them and use anything but.
In my case the extractor ring only engaged and so stripped out half of the extractor threads closest to the outside
and the real crank puller tool managed to get a grip on the remaining threads further down ..
your professionals at the bike shop may have dealt with this before, and so have tools to fix this for you..
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so I get rid of them and use anything but.
In my case the extractor ring only engaged and so stripped out half of the extractor threads closest to the outside
and the real crank puller tool managed to get a grip on the remaining threads further down ..
Has anyone seen a better solution?
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I see that there are 4 sizes..... anyone know the correct one for removing the cranks?
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I think it really depends on your crank arms and the spindle.
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Jacobs taper wedges are only suitable for sq taper spindles. Fluted spindles are either 24mm or 30mm in size and no Jacobs taper
wedges are that large. FWIW the wedge set 13269 for JT6 taper is the size that fits a square taper spindle.
There is mention of using two wedge sets, one on either side of the spindle, the wedges are slotted to normally fit over the
spindle but if the spindle is too large then you might be able to jam them on one side and by tapping down pop the
crank off. This works best if the back of the crank is flat and not tapered toward the spindle.
Only seen pictures of these but if the internal width is right they might work: https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/performance-tools-ball-joint-separator-fork-drop-forged-steel-disconnects-ball-joint-from-connecting-links-w1206p/11506072-p?c3ch=PLA&c3nid=11506072-P&adtype=pla_with_promotion&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7M24-76q4QIVENvACh1XkgQLEAQYASABEgIiRfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Looks like they would need some grinding to work on a 24mm spindle, but they are beefy enough to allow this.
Probably need some thinning of the wedge for use on a bike crank if the width is right.
Cheaper variants of same: https://www.harborfreight.com/catalo...oint+separator
wedges are that large. FWIW the wedge set 13269 for JT6 taper is the size that fits a square taper spindle.
There is mention of using two wedge sets, one on either side of the spindle, the wedges are slotted to normally fit over the
spindle but if the spindle is too large then you might be able to jam them on one side and by tapping down pop the
crank off. This works best if the back of the crank is flat and not tapered toward the spindle.
Only seen pictures of these but if the internal width is right they might work: https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/performance-tools-ball-joint-separator-fork-drop-forged-steel-disconnects-ball-joint-from-connecting-links-w1206p/11506072-p?c3ch=PLA&c3nid=11506072-P&adtype=pla_with_promotion&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7M24-76q4QIVENvACh1XkgQLEAQYASABEgIiRfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Looks like they would need some grinding to work on a 24mm spindle, but they are beefy enough to allow this.
Probably need some thinning of the wedge for use on a bike crank if the width is right.
Cheaper variants of same: https://www.harborfreight.com/catalo...oint+separator
Last edited by sch; 03-30-19 at 12:33 PM.
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Jacobs taper wedges are only suitable for sq taper spindles. Fluted spindles are either 24mm or 30mm in size and no Jacobs taper
wedges are that large. FWIW the wedge set 13269 for JT6 taper is the size that fits a square taper spindle.
There is mention of using two wedge sets, one on either side of the spindle, the wedges are slotted to normally fit over the
spindle but if the spindle is too large then you might be able to jam them on one side and by tapping down pop the
crank off. This works best if the back of the crank is flat and not tapered toward the spindle.
Only seen pictures of these but if the internal width is right they might work: https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/performance-tools-ball-joint-separator-fork-drop-forged-steel-disconnects-ball-joint-from-connecting-links-w1206p/11506072-p?c3ch=PLA&c3nid=11506072-P&adtype=pla_with_promotion&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7M24-76q4QIVENvACh1XkgQLEAQYASABEgIiRfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Looks like they would need some grinding to work on a 24mm spindle, but they are beefy enough to allow this.
Probably need some thinning of the wedge for use on a bike crank if the width is right.
Cheaper variants of same: https://www.harborfreight.com/catalo...oint+separator
wedges are that large. FWIW the wedge set 13269 for JT6 taper is the size that fits a square taper spindle.
There is mention of using two wedge sets, one on either side of the spindle, the wedges are slotted to normally fit over the
spindle but if the spindle is too large then you might be able to jam them on one side and by tapping down pop the
crank off. This works best if the back of the crank is flat and not tapered toward the spindle.
Only seen pictures of these but if the internal width is right they might work: https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/performance-tools-ball-joint-separator-fork-drop-forged-steel-disconnects-ball-joint-from-connecting-links-w1206p/11506072-p?c3ch=PLA&c3nid=11506072-P&adtype=pla_with_promotion&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7M24-76q4QIVENvACh1XkgQLEAQYASABEgIiRfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Looks like they would need some grinding to work on a 24mm spindle, but they are beefy enough to allow this.
Probably need some thinning of the wedge for use on a bike crank if the width is right.
Cheaper variants of same: https://www.harborfreight.com/catalo...oint+separator
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The puller drive screw was not centered over the spindle, thus the force being applied was not effective. It is tough to actually center the screw using a 3-jaw puller in this application. A 2-jaw will sometimes work better. The best solution is to use a bearing separator behind the arm in conjunction with a steering wheel puller (the kind with slotted arms for bolts that screw into the bearing separator).
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Actually, that blade is what did the trick. You should see the three blades I tried before this one. THEY'RE toast. I had to go to Lowe's and get this diamond tipped blade because nothing else was working. Went through the spindle like butter, totally amazing.
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