Rim tape sizing help.
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Rim tape sizing help.
I recently bought a bike off the side of the road to fix up and restore. It’s a bright red Ross road bike from the 1980s or 90s. I’ve made my way to the wheels with fairly little trouble, but the rim tape has caused a few snags. The dimensions of the wheels are fairly unconventional, according to the Internet, at 27” by 1 1/4”. I was told that 700c rim tape would work well, however when I installed it, my tubes got about 6 or 7 punctures. In mm, the dimensions of the wheel are 630x17, while the rim tape is only 16mm wide. What size rim tape should I use, and where can I find it? Also, the nuts that hold the spokes to the rim jut out about 3mm from the inside of the rim.
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For older bikes, I use to use tape that was at least wide enough to cover the spoke holes with a couple millimeters or overlap but narrow enough that it didn't get up on the bead seat of the rim. So depending on the inner profile your 17mm wide rim, it depends! <grin>
Velox was considered among the best. But I used what ever cloth tape I could find. It's gotten hard to find the wide variety of widths we use to find in it. I haven't looked in a long time though. Tubeless and tubeless ready rims are a slightly different concern and we don't use cloth tape any more. I suppose you could get some of that too.
Just ask at your bike shop what they use and get what they have or any online seller you care to use. It's not the rocket science that some make it to be. Just make sure to cover the spoke holes or spoke nipples. Whichever is closest to your tube.
Velox was considered among the best. But I used what ever cloth tape I could find. It's gotten hard to find the wide variety of widths we use to find in it. I haven't looked in a long time though. Tubeless and tubeless ready rims are a slightly different concern and we don't use cloth tape any more. I suppose you could get some of that too.
Just ask at your bike shop what they use and get what they have or any online seller you care to use. It's not the rocket science that some make it to be. Just make sure to cover the spoke holes or spoke nipples. Whichever is closest to your tube.
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Odds are the rim tape wasn't the cause of your flats.
FWIW the rims profile is sort of like this I-__-I, with 2 shoulders where the tire fits, and a lower center where the spoke nipples sit. The correct tape will be the width of that center well. My personal preference has always been cloth surgical tape because it's cheap and effective.
As long as the spoke nipples are covered, and no spoke is poking through, that's not the problem.
Odds are your flats were caused by poor mounting technique, and not the rim tape.
FWIW the rims profile is sort of like this I-__-I, with 2 shoulders where the tire fits, and a lower center where the spoke nipples sit. The correct tape will be the width of that center well. My personal preference has always been cloth surgical tape because it's cheap and effective.
As long as the spoke nipples are covered, and no spoke is poking through, that's not the problem.
Odds are your flats were caused by poor mounting technique, and not the rim tape.
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That’s very possible. I’m a complete novice when it comes to installing tubes. My current method is prying one bead of the tire onto the rim, then sort of haphazardly cramming the tube in while prying over the other bead. That being said, when I removed the rim tape, there were little pin holes where some of the nipples hit the tape. Also, the holes in the tube were on the inside, and similar in size and location to those on the tape. Would it be a waste of time/stupid to try and file down the sharp edges of the nipples?
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The nipples can't have sharp edges, burrs or spokes protruding beyond the head. A rim tape/strip has limits.
A Dremel or similar & grinding stone can be used to smooth down "sharp" spots.
I presume these are single wall rims since you mention the nipples.
On a double wall rim, I've found rim tapes that are a bit narrow may leave s spoke access hole slightly uncovered.
I like rim tape width that "just barely" starts to run up the wall, but not enough to be involved in any bead seating issues.
A Dremel or similar & grinding stone can be used to smooth down "sharp" spots.
I presume these are single wall rims since you mention the nipples.
On a double wall rim, I've found rim tapes that are a bit narrow may leave s spoke access hole slightly uncovered.
I like rim tape width that "just barely" starts to run up the wall, but not enough to be involved in any bead seating issues.
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That’s very possible. I’m a complete novice when it comes to installing tubes. My current method is prying one bead of the tire onto the rim, then sort of haphazardly cramming the tube in while prying over the other bead. That being said, when I removed the rim tape, there were little pin holes where some of the nipples hit the tape. Also, the holes in the tube were on the inside, and similar in size and location to those on the tape. Would it be a waste of time/stupid to try and file down the sharp edges of the nipples?
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For 17mm internal rim width, your rim tape should ideally be around 18-19mm wide to fully cover the spoke holes and provide better protection. The 16mm tape you're using is likely too narrow, allowing the spoke nipples to come into contact with the tube, causing punctures.
Also...look for rim tape that is specifically made for 27" wheels with a width of at least 18-19mm. You can search for "27-inch rim tape" or "630mm rim tape," and check the width in millimeters. Velox or Continental rim tapes are often recommended and come in wider options. Alternatively, fabric or thicker rubber rim strips can provide better protection than standard plastic rim tape.
Also...look for rim tape that is specifically made for 27" wheels with a width of at least 18-19mm. You can search for "27-inch rim tape" or "630mm rim tape," and check the width in millimeters. Velox or Continental rim tapes are often recommended and come in wider options. Alternatively, fabric or thicker rubber rim strips can provide better protection than standard plastic rim tape.
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That’s very possible. I’m a complete novice when it comes to installing tubes. My current method is prying one bead of the tire onto the rim, then sort of haphazardly cramming the tube in while prying over the other bead. That being said, when I removed the rim tape, there were little pin holes where some of the nipples hit the tape. Also, the holes in the tube were on the inside, and similar in size and location to those on the tape. Would it be a waste of time/stupid to try and file down the sharp edges of the nipples?
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Nope. My bike currently uses them.
Now, a wheelset I bought for my road bike 25 years ago, came with a thick strip permanently heat-bonded together at the overlapping end, looked like plastic, but when I had a couple flats I saw it was a thick fiberglass package banding strips, which had spit at the nipples and exposed the fiberglass, causing the flats; Got rid of that and put on Velox.
Now, a wheelset I bought for my road bike 25 years ago, came with a thick strip permanently heat-bonded together at the overlapping end, looked like plastic, but when I had a couple flats I saw it was a thick fiberglass package banding strips, which had spit at the nipples and exposed the fiberglass, causing the flats; Got rid of that and put on Velox.
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perhaps the rim strips are not covering the spoke nipple heads...they can be sharp
rubber rim strips work great and last a very long time
the rim strip you describe should work fine as long as it is covering the heads
very possibly user error
rubber rim strips work great and last a very long time
the rim strip you describe should work fine as long as it is covering the heads
very possibly user error
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Update: I removed all the spoke nipples and rounded them over so they’re weren’t any sharp edges. Then, I reinstalled the rim tape I had before with some talc powder on the rim, tube, and inside of the tire. So far, it’s holding pressure, and I can’t hear any leaks.
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The drama about finishing a tough install with a tire lever is ludicrous. My grandsons balance bike has the worst to install rim tire combo I have ever encountered. I use the Park TL-6 steel core tire levers to remove and install the tire when he has a flat. For those who don't think this is a good idea, I say you should leave this kind of problem up to the professionals.
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The drama about finishing a tough install with a tire lever is ludicrous. My grandsons balance bike has the worst to install rim tire combo I have ever encountered. I use the Park TL-6 steel core tire levers to remove and install the tire when he has a flat. For those who don't think this is a good idea, I say you should leave this kind of problem up to the professionals.
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I think you’re maybe more likely to pinch a tube rolling the last bit of tyre on using your thumbs (and some tyres are a lot tighter than others - edit: just saw your comment about this particular size - that’s a good point) as a tyre lever can help push the tube away fron the rim.





