What do you think about this dent?
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This is a nice theory, except that it disregards all the physical evidence. The shape of the dent shows that it's a dent, and not a buckle. Moreover it's precise alignment with the fender brace, stretches credulity as a coincidence. What almost certainly happened is the fork pushed back pushing the wheel into the downtube with the fender brace trapped between them.
In any case, when downtubes buckle from front impacts it's almost always at the bottom directly behind the headtube. The reuslting buckles have a characteristic appearance (clearly a buckle) which this frame doesn't.
As far as safety goes, without any repair at all this frame has a decent chance of outlasting it's owner, and if and when it fails will give generous notice.
In any case, when downtubes buckle from front impacts it's almost always at the bottom directly behind the headtube. The reuslting buckles have a characteristic appearance (clearly a buckle) which this frame doesn't.
As far as safety goes, without any repair at all this frame has a decent chance of outlasting it's owner, and if and when it fails will give generous notice.
I'm scrapping the frame. I freely admit that I could be wrong about whether that is really necessary. However, I figure if there is even a 5 or 10% chance that the frame is unsafe, it's worth spending the bucks to replace it. (I'm probably buying a $200 Fantom CX frame from Bike Island + LBS labor). I feel I got off lucky this time. Broke the foam in the helmet, but avoided a concussion. My knee is hurt enough to miss probably 3+ weeks of cycling, but at least the doctor thinks there are no torn ligaments or tendons. Next time could be worse. So maybe I'm wasting money, but I'll least I'll have a little more peace of mind.
Thanks everyone!
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I really appreciate all the responses I've gotten. I'm not claiming to be an expert at this, but I have stared at the frame and thought about it a great deal, and I'm convinced it's a buckle. ....
I'm scrapping the frame. I freely admit that I could be wrong about whether that is really necessary. .... Next time could be worse. So maybe I'm wasting money, but I'll least I'll have a little more peace of mind.
Thanks everyone!
I'm scrapping the frame. I freely admit that I could be wrong about whether that is really necessary. .... Next time could be worse. So maybe I'm wasting money, but I'll least I'll have a little more peace of mind.
Thanks everyone!
Sadly, what was lost in this thread was consideration of what caused the accident in the first place. You mentioned brake shudder, but didn't say how bad it was or how often you felt it. Anything that cause poor modulation of the front brake can be serious (much more serious than a dented frame), so when you build the replacement make sure that the front brake is smooth and predictable. You might consider using a crown mounted cable hanger, which has been known to reduce shudder.
Best of luck for a speedy recovery, and a long season of great riding on the new bike.
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I can't speak for others, but there's never a need to justify a personal decision to me.
Sadly, what was lost in this thread was consideration of what caused the accident in the first place. You mentioned brake shudder, but didn't say how bad it was or how often you felt it. Anything that cause poor modulation of the front brake can be serious (much more serious than a dented frame), so when you build the replacement make sure that the front brake is smooth and predictable. You might consider using a crown mounted cable hanger, which has been known to reduce shudder.
Best of luck for a speedy recovery, and a long season of great riding on the new bike.
Sadly, what was lost in this thread was consideration of what caused the accident in the first place. You mentioned brake shudder, but didn't say how bad it was or how often you felt it. Anything that cause poor modulation of the front brake can be serious (much more serious than a dented frame), so when you build the replacement make sure that the front brake is smooth and predictable. You might consider using a crown mounted cable hanger, which has been known to reduce shudder.
Best of luck for a speedy recovery, and a long season of great riding on the new bike.
In the days prior to the accident, I noticed that I was starting to get shudder again, but only when braking hard. When the accident happened, I wasn't braking hard. I was going down a steep hill, but I was really just feathering the brakes to keep from going too fast. Then I felt a couple of pulses in the brake lever telling me it was starting to shudder, then I was flying through the air. My instinctive reaction to shudder has always been to let the lever go when I felt it starting to happen, so I'm 99% sure I didn't brake harder. I can't think of anything else that would have instantly locked the wheel. Once I had a fender get caught up in the tire of a different bike and had a very similar accident, but nothing got stuck in the wheel his time. I can't really explain why it happened, but the lesson learned is not to take any more chances with this type of behavior....





