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Old 11-04-12 | 10:35 AM
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Replacing Hex Bolts With Allen Head Bolts?

I have a couple of older bikes that have more hex nuts and Phillips/flathead head screws than Allen head bolts. These are from the early 1980s and earlier.

Little by little, I am replacing all the hex bolts and the screws with Allen head bolts. I'm not being all scorched-earth about it, but when I work on a job that involves loosening a hex nut or a larger screw, I root around my bits bin for the appropriate 6mm, 8mm or 10mm Allen bolt to replace it.

Eventually, I hope to be able to banish the hex wrenches from my carry-along toolkits, thus saving, oh, about 40 grams. I just need to find a solution for holding the hex nuts.

[I'm feeling my own forehead as I read this - I must have a sickness.]
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Old 11-04-12 | 11:14 AM
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I do the same, hex socket cap screws in stainless. Don't forget to grease the threads. You will only need a few hex wrenches. For the nuts, just carry only the wrenches you need, there will only be a couple. Hint: open end and ignition wrenches generally have two sizes per wrench, cutting down the number needed if thoughtfully selected.
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JYL- I do the same thing. It is a sickness.

If you're shopping for unusual sizes of metric stainless hex bolts, Winks in downtown Portland has an excellent selection. If you're out east, I get a lot of mine from Parkrose Hardware.
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I think it is a great idea and every bolt would end up being a 5 allen wrench

Are you touring? I seldom have issues with things coming loose on two there hour ride and often just ride with a tubular and CO2
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Bianchigirll- I hope some of your bolts are other then 5mm headed. Some need greater torque the a 5mm allen wrench can give, others far less. But i do understand your goal. Ever hear of Alex Pong and Magic Motorcycle? Andy.
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Bianchigirll- I hope some of your bolts are other then 5mm headed. Some need greater torque the a 5mm allen wrench can give, others far less. But i do understand your goal. Ever hear of Alex Pong and Magic Motorcycle? Andy.
Acutally I was wrong it is a 4mm Allen. Bottlecage, rack, .......some derailleur cable bolts. Unless I am hauling super heavy panniers what needs so much torque? I did think the OP was refering to his cranks when he was talking about replacing bolts.
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Old 11-04-12 | 02:11 PM
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I am replacing the little common bolts with Allen heads, not bigger stuff like crank bolts or specialized stuff like brake through bolts. I figure the odds of having to pull a crank with just one's carry-along 200 gram tool kit are not high. Though the self extracting crank bolt set you linked to, in the other thread, are mighty interesting.
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Disease has a next step, to Titanium Bolts..

I saw a British Company making Ti, unique rather than Hex socket bolts ,
to resist getting your bike stripped, using a technology like the security bolts
to retain your Custom Wheels on your car.

kind of like string theory , there are lots of non regular shapes..

https://atomic22.com/
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
I think it is a great idea and every bolt would end up being a 5 allen wrench
Wasn't there a Shimano groupset where as many functions as possible were peformed using a 5mm allen key? I seem to remember seeing something on Sheldon's site about it.
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I have occasionally thought about Ti bolts. My Cannondale is down to 17.8 lb and I'd be curious if I could get it to sub-17, without going to modern carbon fiber components. Ti bolts seem like the last resort though. Seems like drillium would come first. Reasoning being that replacing a given volume of steel with titanium would save less weight than replacing the same volume of aluminium with air.

Hmm, I just calculated that drilling 53 holes in the big chainring and 39 in the little chainring should save around 1.5 ounce. Gotta recheck that at home. EDIT: no, I'm wrong, that estimate is about 2X too high.

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I have occasionally thought about Ti bolts. My Cannondale is down to 17.8 lb and I'd be curious if I could get it to sub-17, without going to modern carbon fiber components. Ti bolts seem like the last resort though. Seems like drillium would come first. Reasoning being that replacing a given volume of steel with titanium would save less weight than replacing the same volume of aluminium with air.

Hmm, I just calculated that drilling 53 holes in the big chainring and 39 in the little chainring should save around 1.5 ounce. Gotta recheck that at home.
Ti bolts are considerably weaker than steel bolts. Carrying around the extra weight of the steel bolts will slow you down a lot less than having the face-plate of your stem snap off on a downhill.
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Old 11-06-12 | 11:43 AM
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Recommend the Dewalt hex wrench set as being very tough and fits into a tool kit easily. I think it is about $15 at a Home-Depot.
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Mavic while they were trying to be a Pro level full component company,
used allen head capscrews.
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Old 11-07-12 | 07:04 AM
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Been there, done that, have the t-shirt.

A touring/commuting bike should have as many fasteners as possible in 5mm, but on a race bike it's much nicer if everything's fully optimised... and if everything's allen, you've got 8,10 or even 12mm down to 2 or 3.5 mm anyway.
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