Replacing Hex Bolts With Allen Head Bolts?
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Replacing Hex Bolts With Allen Head Bolts?
I have a couple of older bikes that have more hex nuts and Phillips/flathead head screws than Allen head bolts. These are from the early 1980s and earlier.
Little by little, I am replacing all the hex bolts and the screws with Allen head bolts. I'm not being all scorched-earth about it, but when I work on a job that involves loosening a hex nut or a larger screw, I root around my bits bin for the appropriate 6mm, 8mm or 10mm Allen bolt to replace it.
Eventually, I hope to be able to banish the hex wrenches from my carry-along toolkits, thus saving, oh, about 40 grams. I just need to find a solution for holding the hex nuts.
[I'm feeling my own forehead as I read this - I must have a sickness.]
Little by little, I am replacing all the hex bolts and the screws with Allen head bolts. I'm not being all scorched-earth about it, but when I work on a job that involves loosening a hex nut or a larger screw, I root around my bits bin for the appropriate 6mm, 8mm or 10mm Allen bolt to replace it.
Eventually, I hope to be able to banish the hex wrenches from my carry-along toolkits, thus saving, oh, about 40 grams. I just need to find a solution for holding the hex nuts.
[I'm feeling my own forehead as I read this - I must have a sickness.]
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I do the same, hex socket cap screws in stainless. Don't forget to grease the threads. You will only need a few hex wrenches. For the nuts, just carry only the wrenches you need, there will only be a couple. Hint: open end and ignition wrenches generally have two sizes per wrench, cutting down the number needed if thoughtfully selected.
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JYL- I do the same thing. It is a sickness.
If you're shopping for unusual sizes of metric stainless hex bolts, Winks in downtown Portland has an excellent selection. If you're out east, I get a lot of mine from Parkrose Hardware.
If you're shopping for unusual sizes of metric stainless hex bolts, Winks in downtown Portland has an excellent selection. If you're out east, I get a lot of mine from Parkrose Hardware.
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I think it is a great idea and every bolt would end up being a 5 allen wrench
Are you touring? I seldom have issues with things coming loose on two there hour ride and often just ride with a tubular and CO2
Are you touring? I seldom have issues with things coming loose on two there hour ride and often just ride with a tubular and CO2
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Bianchigirll- I hope some of your bolts are other then 5mm headed. Some need greater torque the a 5mm allen wrench can give, others far less. But i do understand your goal. Ever hear of Alex Pong and Magic Motorcycle? Andy.
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Acutally I was wrong it is a 4mm Allen. Bottlecage, rack, .......some derailleur cable bolts. Unless I am hauling super heavy panniers what needs so much torque? I did think the OP was refering to his cranks when he was talking about replacing bolts.
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I am replacing the little common bolts with Allen heads, not bigger stuff like crank bolts or specialized stuff like brake through bolts. I figure the odds of having to pull a crank with just one's carry-along 200 gram tool kit are not high. Though the self extracting crank bolt set you linked to, in the other thread, are mighty interesting.
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Disease has a next step, to Titanium Bolts..
I saw a British Company making Ti, unique rather than Hex socket bolts ,
to resist getting your bike stripped, using a technology like the security bolts
to retain your Custom Wheels on your car.
kind of like string theory , there are lots of non regular shapes..
https://atomic22.com/
I saw a British Company making Ti, unique rather than Hex socket bolts ,
to resist getting your bike stripped, using a technology like the security bolts
to retain your Custom Wheels on your car.
kind of like string theory , there are lots of non regular shapes..
https://atomic22.com/
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I have occasionally thought about Ti bolts. My Cannondale is down to 17.8 lb and I'd be curious if I could get it to sub-17, without going to modern carbon fiber components. Ti bolts seem like the last resort though. Seems like drillium would come first. Reasoning being that replacing a given volume of steel with titanium would save less weight than replacing the same volume of aluminium with air.
Hmm, I just calculated that drilling 53 holes in the big chainring and 39 in the little chainring should save around 1.5 ounce. Gotta recheck that at home. EDIT: no, I'm wrong, that estimate is about 2X too high.
Hmm, I just calculated that drilling 53 holes in the big chainring and 39 in the little chainring should save around 1.5 ounce. Gotta recheck that at home. EDIT: no, I'm wrong, that estimate is about 2X too high.
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I have occasionally thought about Ti bolts. My Cannondale is down to 17.8 lb and I'd be curious if I could get it to sub-17, without going to modern carbon fiber components. Ti bolts seem like the last resort though. Seems like drillium would come first. Reasoning being that replacing a given volume of steel with titanium would save less weight than replacing the same volume of aluminium with air.
Hmm, I just calculated that drilling 53 holes in the big chainring and 39 in the little chainring should save around 1.5 ounce. Gotta recheck that at home.
Hmm, I just calculated that drilling 53 holes in the big chainring and 39 in the little chainring should save around 1.5 ounce. Gotta recheck that at home.
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Been there, done that, have the t-shirt.
A touring/commuting bike should have as many fasteners as possible in 5mm, but on a race bike it's much nicer if everything's fully optimised... and if everything's allen, you've got 8,10 or even 12mm down to 2 or 3.5 mm anyway.
A touring/commuting bike should have as many fasteners as possible in 5mm, but on a race bike it's much nicer if everything's fully optimised... and if everything's allen, you've got 8,10 or even 12mm down to 2 or 3.5 mm anyway.
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