Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Bicycle Mechanics
Reload this Page >

Bottom Bracket Bearings

Search
Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

Bottom Bracket Bearings

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-15-13 | 08:10 AM
  #1  
Ronno6's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,335
Likes: 46
From: Deep South

Bikes: Cannondale SR's and ST's from the '80's

Bottom Bracket Bearings

I am looking to replace some worn out bearings in a Shimano Hollowtech BB.
I am seeing 6805 bearings in: deep groove, full compliment (no cage,) angular contact,
ceramic ball,full ceramic, and silicon nitride ball.
I see open one seal (original equip style,) double seal, and double shield.

Which would be best?
Ronno6 is offline  
Reply
Old 12-15-13 | 08:48 AM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 33,657
Likes: 1,119
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Bikes: '96 Litespeed Catalyst, '05 Litespeed Firenze, '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '20 Surly Midnight Special, All are 3x10. It is hilly around here!

I assume you are referring to a Hollowtech II (external bearing) bottom bracket, not the older Hollowtech (Octalink) style. Is that correct?

Are you planning to push out and replace the bearings in the old cups? Frankly, these bottom brackets are so inexpensive that replacing the entire thing makes more financial sense unless you think you are going to achieve some major increase in efficiency and cost isn't an issue. If that's the case, go all-out and get the full ceramic replacement bearings and hang the cost.
HillRider is offline  
Reply
Old 12-15-13 | 08:54 AM
  #3  
Ronno6's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,335
Likes: 46
From: Deep South

Bikes: Cannondale SR's and ST's from the '80's

Originally Posted by HillRider
I assume you are referring to a Hollowtech II (external bearing) bottom bracket, not the older Hollowtech (Octalink) style. Is that correct?

Are you planning to push out and replace the bearings in the old cups? Frankly, these bottom brackets are so inexpensive that replacing the entire thing makes more financial sense unless you think you are going to achieve some major increase in efficiency and cost isn't an issue. If that's the case, go all-out and get the full ceramic replacement bearings and hang the cost.
Thanks.
Yup. Hollowtech II outboard bearings.
Bearings have already been pressed out.
This is just an experiment. I'm just like that.........

I also see Phil Wood bearings available. They are s'posed to be good uns.
Ronno6 is offline  
Reply
Old 12-15-13 | 09:05 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 33,657
Likes: 1,119
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Bikes: '96 Litespeed Catalyst, '05 Litespeed Firenze, '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '20 Surly Midnight Special, All are 3x10. It is hilly around here!

Originally Posted by Ronno6
I also see Phil Wood bearings available. They are s'posed to be good uns.
Yes, Phil Wood bearings are good and Chris King also sells replacement Hollowtech II bearings which are very high quality too. Either would be a good choice if their cost penalty isn't a consideration.
HillRider is offline  
Reply
Old 12-15-13 | 09:11 AM
  #5  
dsbrantjr's Avatar
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 8,327
Likes: 1,112
From: Roswell, GA

Bikes: '93 Trek 750, '92 Schwinn Crisscross, '93 Mongoose Alta

Even mediocre ball bearings, in good condition of course, are so efficient that you will probably need instruments to measure the improvement in going to the best ceramic ones.

Except for the cost and bragging rights, of course.

The seal drag is probably an order of magnitude higher than the drag of the bearings themselves.
dsbrantjr is offline  
Reply
Old 12-15-13 | 09:23 AM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 33,657
Likes: 1,119
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Bikes: '96 Litespeed Catalyst, '05 Litespeed Firenze, '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '20 Surly Midnight Special, All are 3x10. It is hilly around here!

Originally Posted by dsbrantjr
Even mediocre ball bearings, in good condition of course, are so efficient that you will probably need instruments to measure the improvement in going to the best ceramic ones.
Absolutely true but I wanted to avoid that discussion/argument.
HillRider is offline  
Reply
Old 12-15-13 | 10:25 AM
  #7  
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 19,381
Likes: 5,527
From: Rochester, NY

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Mongoose Tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder, Stewart 650B ATB

I have never been dissatisfied with Phil bearings. Andy.
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Reply
Old 12-15-13 | 11:15 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
Community Builder
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 4,437
Likes: 1,698
From: San Diego, CA
You could also try these guys. They make it easy for you. IMO go with the steel bearings for durability per dollar. https://www.enduroforkseals.com/id227.html
Crankycrank is offline  
Reply
Old 12-15-13 | 12:47 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 33,657
Likes: 1,119
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Bikes: '96 Litespeed Catalyst, '05 Litespeed Firenze, '06 Litespeed Tuscany, '20 Surly Midnight Special, All are 3x10. It is hilly around here!

Originally Posted by Crankycrank
You could also try these guys. They make it easy for you. IMO go with the steel bearings for durability per dollar. https://www.enduroforkseals.com/id227.html
Their replacement bearings, particularly the steel ones, are reasonably priced but the installation tool set is very expensive for home use.

I suppose you could use the hammer and punch bearing removal and hammer and big socket replacement techniques but I'm not sure I'd want to do that.
HillRider is offline  
Reply
Old 12-15-13 | 12:59 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
Community Builder
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 4,437
Likes: 1,698
From: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted by HillRider
Their replacement bearings, particularly the steel ones, are reasonably priced but the installation tool set is very expensive for home use.

I suppose you could use the hammer and punch bearing removal and hammer and big socket replacement techniques but I'm not sure I'd want to do that.
Yeah new BB's aren't that expensive but the OP already has the old bearings out of the cups. Just throw the cups in some boiling water for about 10mins and put the new bearings in the freezer for a few hours beforehand and they go in without too much effort, no expensive tools needed.
Crankycrank is offline  
Reply
Old 12-15-13 | 03:37 PM
  #11  
Ronno6's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,335
Likes: 46
From: Deep South

Bikes: Cannondale SR's and ST's from the '80's

Thanks y'all for the selection suggestions, the sources and techniques.
I'll figger out what I'm gonna do..........
Ronno6 is offline  
Reply
Old 12-15-13 | 04:46 PM
  #12  
Looigi's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,951
Likes: 14
Here's an interesting bit on BB friction measurements. Note the lowest friction bearings have no lube and seals that don't.

https://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/gea...et-drag-39233/
Looigi is offline  
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
NoWhammies
General Cycling Discussion
41
09-16-19 03:08 PM
EnjoyinTheRide
Bicycle Mechanics
6
05-22-17 05:43 PM
2TriMaster2
Bicycle Mechanics
5
10-22-16 04:13 AM
scott967
Bicycle Mechanics
7
04-21-15 03:57 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.