LBS charge for gluing tubular?
03-21-14, 04:55 PM
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Do this yourself. It will take 30 minutes per wheel. You will need to have the tires pre-stretched on an old rim. Wear painting clothes while you're doing this. No matter how good you are, there is a good chance you're going to get some glue on your pants, shirt and hands. Good glue remover: white gas. Don't breathe or have it on your skin for any length of time. Good glue spreader: plastic cafeteria knives.
Glue: Vittoria Mastik in the tin. Buying the same thing in the little tubes is a hideously expensive. While you're out buying stuff, get some Stan's sealant to inject into the rear tire. In order to inject the Stan's you'll want tires with removable cores and a junk frame pump with the guts removed. When you pre-spike your rear tire with 20cc's of Stan's, it will take an extraordinary puncture or impact for the tire to flat.
Removing old glue: a hand drill with a circular wire brush.
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That sounds like a lot of work...I admit I never rode on tires like that, but when my club guys meet I always ask some questions...One of them was why you use tubular tires...All said it's for better speed/cornering and better feel. They also added that these are very flat prone...
So, it's terrible to install - especially in an emergency setting /or just impossible/, expensive, flat prone... I'm guessing it's not for "regular" cyclist to use it for daily riding.
Am I right if I say it's mostly for racing application?
So, it's terrible to install - especially in an emergency setting /or just impossible/, expensive, flat prone... I'm guessing it's not for "regular" cyclist to use it for daily riding.
Am I right if I say it's mostly for racing application?
03-22-14, 03:57 PM
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And they do ride better, and allow for much lighter rims, but yes, they're for sport or long touring, where the advantages make sense. I used to ride tubulars full time, but now use my commuter/utility bike in town where flats are more common.
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03-22-14, 04:06 PM
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LBS charge for gluing tubular?
Way, way, way, easier is to get a tube of Fast Tack 8031 trim adhesive made by 3M. Available at most auto parts stores.
I just glued up two tires a couple days ago. All ya do is mount the tire. Inflate the tire just to the point it takes its shape. Pull 5-6" of tire off the rim at a time. Start at the valve stem. Squeeze a bead if Fast Tack on the rim between spoke holes. Kinda lift and pull the tire back on the rim. Do another 5-6" section, repeat around the rim. Spin the wheel and straighten tire as necessary.
Let dry fir half an hour and you're ready to ride. I've been doing it this way for years. Takes 10 mins. per tire. I wear disposable plastic gloves when putting in the tires. You will always get a bit on your fingers.
All this mumbo jumbo with taking 24 hours to dry and glueing the rim the tire and on and on.
Forget the little tubes if cement. Go with the Fast Tack. Literally you can glue and ride within an hours time.
I just glued up two tires a couple days ago. All ya do is mount the tire. Inflate the tire just to the point it takes its shape. Pull 5-6" of tire off the rim at a time. Start at the valve stem. Squeeze a bead if Fast Tack on the rim between spoke holes. Kinda lift and pull the tire back on the rim. Do another 5-6" section, repeat around the rim. Spin the wheel and straighten tire as necessary.
Let dry fir half an hour and you're ready to ride. I've been doing it this way for years. Takes 10 mins. per tire. I wear disposable plastic gloves when putting in the tires. You will always get a bit on your fingers.
All this mumbo jumbo with taking 24 hours to dry and glueing the rim the tire and on and on.
Forget the little tubes if cement. Go with the Fast Tack. Literally you can glue and ride within an hours time.
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03-22-14, 04:26 PM
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I'm with you. As tubulars moved out of the mainstream folks started making a ritual out of mounting. I glue and mount a new tire in 5-10 minutes (start to finish), and do a replacement on the road in less time, since I'm not applying fresh glue. Remember people used to race on these without team support, so obviously a fast change was possible.
I can't imagine Fausto Coppi sitting on the side of the road waiting for his glue to dry.
Note the tire crossed over his shoulders.
I can't imagine Fausto Coppi sitting on the side of the road waiting for his glue to dry.
Note the tire crossed over his shoulders.
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03-22-14, 05:04 PM
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I'm with you. As tubulars moved out of the mainstream folks started making a ritual out of mounting. I glue and mount a new tire in 5-10 minutes (start to finish), and do a replacement on the road in less time, since I'm not applying fresh glue. Remember people used to race on these without team support, so obviously a fast change was possible.
I can't imagine Fausto Coppi sitting on the side of the road waiting for his glue to dry.
Note the tire crossed over his shoulders.
I can't imagine Fausto Coppi sitting on the side of the road waiting for his glue to dry.
Note the tire crossed over his shoulders.
The 3M adhesive is for car trim fabrics like carpets and upholstery. It works great on tires, and the fast dry is a big plus. The other thing is you want the tire to come off the rim eventually.
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03-22-14, 06:04 PM
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I don't know what's currently sold, but there used to be tape with excellent adhesion. The tape was also nice in that it stayed tacky for months, making for fast mounting on the road, with the ability to ride immediately. The main reason that I and others preferred glue to tape, wasn't adhesion, but because the tape would often stick to the tire and get moved over or folded on itself when repositioning the tire. Once the tape shifted, it was a PIA to get things right again.
One thing that separates casual road riders from track and supported racers is the need to change tires in the field and riding immediately. That was a plus for tape. You could carry a roll, wind it on the rim, mount the tire and ride immediately. One maker even sold a tape with one sided backed with film. You taped the rim, mounted the tire, inflated to about 2atm, seated, then when all was right pulled out the film.
Otherwise, glue users like myself, need glue that stays tacky enough for a reliable field remount. The stuff I use, allowed about 2 tire changes before fresh glue was needed, so there wasn't a need to carry glue except for long multi-day tours.
BTW- I'm still curious about what Cycledogg meant by old skool 24/12/12
One thing that separates casual road riders from track and supported racers is the need to change tires in the field and riding immediately. That was a plus for tape. You could carry a roll, wind it on the rim, mount the tire and ride immediately. One maker even sold a tape with one sided backed with film. You taped the rim, mounted the tire, inflated to about 2atm, seated, then when all was right pulled out the film.
Otherwise, glue users like myself, need glue that stays tacky enough for a reliable field remount. The stuff I use, allowed about 2 tire changes before fresh glue was needed, so there wasn't a need to carry glue except for long multi-day tours.
BTW- I'm still curious about what Cycledogg meant by old skool 24/12/12
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So the option is rims with a deeper curve, like some of the old Nisi and Fiamme rims, or a track quality glue job with something like fasttack. Since for most riders a field tire change isn't an issue anyway, the need is different than a sport rider who needs to get home.
OTOH- you're (hopefully) nor bombing down a twisted pave descent at high speed either. I feel it's Reptilzes responsibility to remind you of the importance of keeping tires fully inflated to prevent rolling. Knowing that you're free to do as you see fit, but at least they're informed decisions.
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i get it, i ride mtb and know all about tire pressure, ride quality and traction but air pressure is what holds the tubular tire on. just understand how your equipment works and the risks.
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I respect the opinions and choices of those who ride tubulars especially several of the guys who have posted in this thread, but for me it was a lot like owning a boat. You know, to paraphrase the old saw, the two happiest days of my cycling life were the day I started riding tubulars and the day I stopped.
03-23-14, 08:23 AM
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This is my set-up. 32mm cyclo-cross tires. Ride them at 60-65psi on the road. Provides a great ride, especially with all the pot holes and broken pavement after this ridiculous winter.
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My experience is that tubulars aren't any more flat-prone than similar quality clinchers; they're just more of a chore to fix when they do flat. The way I deal with this is to have a number of spares. Let the flatted tires pile up and fix them on a rainy day or off-season.
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I respect the opinions and choices of those who ride tubulars especially several of the guys who have posted in this thread, but for me it was a lot like owning a boat. You know, to paraphrase the old saw, the two happiest days of my cycling life were the day I started riding tubulars and the day I stopped.
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This might be a good place to include a quote from Bob Freeman of Elliot Bay Bicycles in an email I received from him the other day, regarding the use of tire savers. FWIW.
"I haven't had a flat since I started using them again." Bob rides tubulars a lot. I know there is a debate whether or not they help, but I believe they do.
"I haven't had a flat since I started using them again." Bob rides tubulars a lot. I know there is a debate whether or not they help, but I believe they do.
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This might be a good place to include a quote from Bob Freeman of Elliot Bay Bicycles in an email I received from him the other day, regarding the use of tire savers. FWIW.
"I haven't had a flat since I started using them again." Bob rides tubulars a lot. I know there is a debate whether or not they help, but I believe they do.
"I haven't had a flat since I started using them again." Bob rides tubulars a lot. I know there is a debate whether or not they help, but I believe they do.
03-23-14, 01:56 PM
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That said, I ride tubulars, and have made and marketed tire savers, yet don't bother with them. My objection is the noise, and riding tubulars away from the city, I average less than one flat per 1,000 miles. Something well within my range of acceptability.
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