well, now that my bike is 80% built (the Sunday), my little bro is wanting to build a bike too. after i talked him out of the Fit Ed frame, hes looking at the FBM Stairmaster. i dont know a whole lot about FBM, so i wanted to get opinions on their frames in general. i bought a barely used The Take Time frame, and im also trying to get him to just buy it from me, since from what i understand, FBM, and The Take are alot alike. so any help is appreciated. thanks guys.

FBM makes the Take frames.
What's wrong with a Fit ED and why would you talk him out of getting it?

The Stairmaster seems like a nice frame. Not to bash FBM but i was suprised to hear that they changed thier warranty to like 2 years instead of life. Probly because so many people are cracking AutoPilots and the newer Deployers.

well, hes just starting out, and there really is no reason to learn brakeless right away. thats the only reason. im sure the FIT Ed is a great frame, but not for a beginner.

ahhh you should give me that time frame. haha, but yeah i wouldnt even buy him a custom bike to begin with. just get him a cmplete since he will probally just forget about it in a year or two.

well, i dont believe it will be something he will just get out of, he stuck with skateboarding for 8 years, and hes just wanting to try something different. he straight up told me that he doesnt want a complete, since he has the money to build a custom, so im down to help him out.

i might sell the "time frame", not sure yet. i also bought a S&M Stricker from a friend. it was in decent shape, i painted it a HOK candy green, and put on a couple of S&M stickers, and ill throw that one up for sale soon also.

If you painted an older S&M Stricker that was baby blue you deserve to die. Give him the Stricker...it's a really nice frame.

the Stricker is 20.25 TT, and my bro is dead set on 21. and the Stricker was originally white, it was just scratched up a good bit. figured i have a better chance reselling it with brand new paint. besides, i paint cars for a living, so buying used frames and repainting them cost me nothing. they look a million times better than your average spray can job also

Oh. Well sell it then.

What size is the Time frame?

i believe its a 20.7.

so there is pretty much no difference in a Take, and FBM. i knew they were made in the same warehouse, but wasnt sure if they were exact.

The geometry can be a bit different on the different models but the tubing size, thickness and welding all gets done at the same place and is pretty much going to be the same.


Keep the time frame. They are nice.


If your little bro want's a custom bike..build up an S&M, T1, Solid, Sunday or FBM.

They are your best bets. Sunday and Odyssey make awesome forks and bars.

Stay away from Demolition, Shadow, SNAFU, Stolen, Eastern and Mosh and you'll be good!

I sure hope those companys don't read this site.

your crazy. demolition and stolen are two pretty good companys.

have to agree,i got demolition bulimia cassette with 1pc 10t cog and its been as good as gold,as for the frame debate,fbm stairmaster or the fit ed,id go with the fit ed evry time.,if you like a smaller frame,fit only comes in 20.5 tt,stairmaster 21tt i think

you mean an anorexia cassette.

Theres nothing wrong with Demolition parts.

well, considering my bro is wanting a 21tt, and is just starting out, so a brakeless frame would only hinder his learning.....i think the fbm definitely would suit him better. i understand everyone loves Edwin DeLaRosa, but damn, im sick of everyone recommending that frame lol. no offense to you, but seems everyone thinks its the best frame out, with no real facts to back up that opinion.

Kinetic, i agree, i wish he would just build up the Take, or S&M, but he wants nothing to do with either lol. i dont know why, but hey, its his bike. also, you really think Shadow parts are bad? i mean, i dont really know, all i have had from them are thier big bars, and seat. (big bars are for sale by the way) i have just heard alot of good about them.

Their hubs suck.

And I want a Time frame to bad they're to big.

The Fit Homan is basically a FitED with brake mounts...check that out. It's a great frame. Stay away from the S3 and Hawk though. Too many people crackin' those.

My Shadow hub's driver has croaked 3 times total. Let it be known that i'm fairly smooth and keep my chain pretty loose. Their warranty people are idiots and slow as hell getting back to you. I snapped their chain too. Their grips wear down in a week. Only part i would even consider from them is the Slim seat. And even at that plenty of people have poped theirs off the rails.
Nothing they make is really worth the money. And all their new parts and basically copies of stuff that other companys are making...except the chain and seat. Example: Look at a Macneil sprocket then the new Shadow.

word. just get him a stairmaster... it's a great frame.

I want the demolition bulimia hub, sooo smooth

So do I... plus, it's cheap.

I'd go with Odyssey before Demo...

Suit yourself though!

for hubs I would go with demolition. Odyssey hubs arent too great, IMO.

word.

Better then demolition IMO.

I agree with premium. I was amazingly impressed with the Bulimia hub. Apparently road bikers are complaining that they pay £600 ($1000) for a wheel that is the same feel as one for bmx that can be bought for £70 ($130)