1982 Trek 950 and 1978 514
10-08-18, 09:08 AM
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1982 Trek 950 and 1978 514
Hi guys (and gals?),
I am an old biker (61) and a rider/collector of vintage Trek bikes for many years. Unfortunately, for the last several of years I have had an increasing problem with vertigo and can do very little riding. I have sold all my "rider" bikes locally but have a couple of wall hangers that I have kept. One is an original (except tires) 1978 514 that I bought brand new (my first Trek), rode for 2 years in college and then hung it on the wall. It has hardly been ridden since but always kept oiled and polished up. It looks near new. The other is a dream bike I built from an 1982 NOS 950 frame I found years ago. It is quite the show piece and only been ridden for about an hour and then hung on the wall. It is so very pretty! Anyway, my wife and I are retiring and downsizing and these are on the list to remove from our possession. I have the 950 on the bay right now for what is probably a very healthy price but it is probably what it would take for me to part with it. Is this price possible in member's opinion? The 514 will be even harder to part with due to sentimental reasons, but I would be more reasonable on it's price and wondering what the market price as it is near new. Sorry, but I can't post pictures yet because I am new to this site.
I am an old biker (61) and a rider/collector of vintage Trek bikes for many years. Unfortunately, for the last several of years I have had an increasing problem with vertigo and can do very little riding. I have sold all my "rider" bikes locally but have a couple of wall hangers that I have kept. One is an original (except tires) 1978 514 that I bought brand new (my first Trek), rode for 2 years in college and then hung it on the wall. It has hardly been ridden since but always kept oiled and polished up. It looks near new. The other is a dream bike I built from an 1982 NOS 950 frame I found years ago. It is quite the show piece and only been ridden for about an hour and then hung on the wall. It is so very pretty! Anyway, my wife and I are retiring and downsizing and these are on the list to remove from our possession. I have the 950 on the bay right now for what is probably a very healthy price but it is probably what it would take for me to part with it. Is this price possible in member's opinion? The 514 will be even harder to part with due to sentimental reasons, but I would be more reasonable on it's price and wondering what the market price as it is near new. Sorry, but I can't post pictures yet because I am new to this site.
10-08-18, 09:41 AM
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This is the listing, https://www.ebay.com/itm/Exceptional...cAAOSwv0tVgEPv ?
That's a beautiful and very desirable bike. I have no idea what the price should be. This bike is rare. If that's your price, stick to it.
The 514 is an ishiwata frame tubing bike right? More of a touring bike? Hard to value without pics of the bike especially of the drive side. You should introduce yourself (there is a forum for newbies) and then spam your own introduction. Once you hit 10 posts, you can post pics. It's a pain but it does keep the spammers away.
That's a beautiful and very desirable bike. I have no idea what the price should be. This bike is rare. If that's your price, stick to it.
The 514 is an ishiwata frame tubing bike right? More of a touring bike? Hard to value without pics of the bike especially of the drive side. You should introduce yourself (there is a forum for newbies) and then spam your own introduction. Once you hit 10 posts, you can post pics. It's a pain but it does keep the spammers away.
10-08-18, 09:43 AM
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As a point of reference, I paid $150 for my 1979 Trek 510. It was in decent but not pristine shape with a decent parts group. This is how the bike originally came to me last year.
As found in the "wild"
As found in the "wild"
10-08-18, 10:17 AM
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Thanks! I will post pictures of the 514. yes it is the 022 version with original set. Besides tires, I think I wrapped the bars once but the rest is original. It is truly a survivor. I really don't think it has a mark on it. All alloy is clear etc. I will try to get a few more posts on.
10-08-18, 01:14 PM
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I just corrected the listing in ebay for the frame size. It is a 56cm not a 58cm. Per the SN listed in vintage Trek website it is a 58cm 1982 950 frame (which it is not). Those SNs must not be totally accurate?
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At the listed price I think you will be keeping it for a long time. I’ve never seen a vintage Trek go for anything close to your asking price.
Now if you can get that price, great! Have you seen any other vintage Treks SELL for that high of a price? Asking prices are meaningless.
in the end the market sets the price. I have some bikes that I feel are worth “X” but I know I won’t get it. There’s a price where US consumer brands top out, above that you expect to see some of the more desirable Italian brands. As far as the size, Trek typically measured seat tube Center to Top.
As a reference, I sold a pristine 1979 930 frameset on eBay for $350. It took a while.
Now if you can get that price, great! Have you seen any other vintage Treks SELL for that high of a price? Asking prices are meaningless.
in the end the market sets the price. I have some bikes that I feel are worth “X” but I know I won’t get it. There’s a price where US consumer brands top out, above that you expect to see some of the more desirable Italian brands. As far as the size, Trek typically measured seat tube Center to Top.
As a reference, I sold a pristine 1979 930 frameset on eBay for $350. It took a while.
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10-09-18, 01:47 PM
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How are you measuring the seat tube? C-C or C-T? Looks like 58 CM C-T.
10-09-18, 03:43 PM
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I agree with wrk101. Yours is a very nice bike. I own/owned several vintage Treks. This is my 1982 Trek 950. It is pretty much all Campy except for the brake levers and headset. The seatpost and seat were swapped from a later Trek 760, but it did come with an earlier non-aero Campy seatpost. My cost was somewhere around 1/4 of your asking price delivered to me. I purchased it last summer. I may have gotten a bit of a deal, but I don't think I under paid by 75% either. Your frame is nicer than mine. Mine presents nicely from 10 ft way, but does show some wear commensurate with age. It is a rider and has been my most ridden bike this summer.
I think $1800 is quite a stretch. Also, the $180 shipping price will turn people off. Bikeflights will be around a 1/3 of that. $100 for packing seems a bit excessive. People will bake that into the price. Objectively, buyers are looking at your auction and see a $2000 asking price.
I think $1800 is quite a stretch. Also, the $180 shipping price will turn people off. Bikeflights will be around a 1/3 of that. $100 for packing seems a bit excessive. People will bake that into the price. Objectively, buyers are looking at your auction and see a $2000 asking price.
10-09-18, 04:48 PM
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I agree with wrk101. Yours is a very nice bike. I own/owned several vintage Treks. This is my 1982 Trek 950. It is pretty much all Campy except for the brake levers and headset. The seatpost and seat were swapped from a later Trek 760, but it did come with an earlier non-aero Campy seatpost. My cost was somewhere around 1/4 of your asking price delivered to me. I purchased it last summer. I may have gotten a bit of a deal, but I don't think I under paid by 75% either. Your frame is nicer than mine. Mine presents nicely from 10 ft way, but does show some wear commensurate with age. It is a rider and has been my most ridden bike this summer.
I think $1800 is quite a stretch. Also, the $180 shipping price will turn people off. Bikeflights will be around a 1/3 of that. $100 for packing seems a bit excessive. People will bake that into the price. Objectively, buyers are looking at your auction and see a $2000 asking price.
I think $1800 is quite a stretch. Also, the $180 shipping price will turn people off. Bikeflights will be around a 1/3 of that. $100 for packing seems a bit excessive. People will bake that into the price. Objectively, buyers are looking at your auction and see a $2000 asking price.
10-09-18, 04:58 PM
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At the listed price I think you will be keeping it for a long time. I’ve never seen a vintage Trek go for anything close to your asking price.
Now if you can get that price, great! Have you seen any other vintage Treks SELL for that high of a price? Asking prices are meaningless.
in the end the market sets the price. I have some bikes that I feel are worth “X” but I know I won’t get it. There’s a price where US consumer brands top out, above that you expect to see some of the more desirable Italian brands. As far as the size, Trek typically measured seat tube Center to Top.
As a reference, I sold a pristine 1979 930 frameset on eBay for $350. It took a while.
Now if you can get that price, great! Have you seen any other vintage Treks SELL for that high of a price? Asking prices are meaningless.
in the end the market sets the price. I have some bikes that I feel are worth “X” but I know I won’t get it. There’s a price where US consumer brands top out, above that you expect to see some of the more desirable Italian brands. As far as the size, Trek typically measured seat tube Center to Top.
As a reference, I sold a pristine 1979 930 frameset on eBay for $350. It took a while.
I agree with wrk101. Yours is a very nice bike. I own/owned several vintage Treks. This is my 1982 Trek 950. It is pretty much all Campy except for the brake levers and headset. The seatpost and seat were swapped from a later Trek 760, but it did come with an earlier non-aero Campy seatpost. My cost was somewhere around 1/4 of your asking price delivered to me. I purchased it last summer. I may have gotten a bit of a deal, but I don't think I under paid by 75% either. Your frame is nicer than mine. Mine presents nicely from 10 ft way, but does show some wear commensurate with age. It is a rider and has been my most ridden bike this summer.
I think $1800 is quite a stretch. Also, the $180 shipping price will turn people off. Bikeflights will be around a 1/3 of that. $100 for packing seems a bit excessive. People will bake that into the price. Objectively, buyers are looking at your auction and see a $2000 asking price.
I think $1800 is quite a stretch. Also, the $180 shipping price will turn people off. Bikeflights will be around a 1/3 of that. $100 for packing seems a bit excessive. People will bake that into the price. Objectively, buyers are looking at your auction and see a $2000 asking price.
Box and packing was $89 and shipping with bikeflights was $50-$70 most US locations.
Nice bike by the way!
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Buyers expect sellers to pack themselves and are unwilling to pay packing charges. Price is already out the top, to charge retail packing really is pushing it.
Savvy buyers just adjust their bid to get a delivered price. So if I was willing to pay $800 delivered for that bike, and the shipping charge was $200, my max bid would be $600. I find many buyers are so turned off if the shipping is high that they won’t even bid at a lower number.
Bike may well be worth more to you than it is in the marketplace. I have some bikes like that myself. When the time comes to sell I know I won’t get what I think they are worth.
And me when I buy a bike on eBay, I only buy if either I can pick up the bike myself or the seller has stellar feedback on prior bike sales (so I can trust their packing).
Savvy buyers just adjust their bid to get a delivered price. So if I was willing to pay $800 delivered for that bike, and the shipping charge was $200, my max bid would be $600. I find many buyers are so turned off if the shipping is high that they won’t even bid at a lower number.
Bike may well be worth more to you than it is in the marketplace. I have some bikes like that myself. When the time comes to sell I know I won’t get what I think they are worth.
And me when I buy a bike on eBay, I only buy if either I can pick up the bike myself or the seller has stellar feedback on prior bike sales (so I can trust their packing).
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10-10-18, 06:53 AM
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Buyers expect sellers to pack themselves and are unwilling to pay packing charges. Price is already out the top, to charge retail packing really is pushing it.
Savvy buyers just adjust their bid to get a delivered price. So if I was willing to pay $800 delivered for that bike, and the shipping charge was $200, my max bid would be $600. I find many buyers are so turned off if the shipping is high that they won’t even bid at a lower number.
Bike may well be worth more to you than it is in the marketplace. I have some bikes like that myself. When the time comes to sell I know I won’t get what I think they are worth.
And me when I buy a bike on eBay, I only buy if either I can pick up the bike myself or the seller has stellar feedback on prior bike sales (so I can trust their packing).
Savvy buyers just adjust their bid to get a delivered price. So if I was willing to pay $800 delivered for that bike, and the shipping charge was $200, my max bid would be $600. I find many buyers are so turned off if the shipping is high that they won’t even bid at a lower number.
Bike may well be worth more to you than it is in the marketplace. I have some bikes like that myself. When the time comes to sell I know I won’t get what I think they are worth.
And me when I buy a bike on eBay, I only buy if either I can pick up the bike myself or the seller has stellar feedback on prior bike sales (so I can trust their packing).
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Yes, people buying modern bikes tend to have no interest in the vintage stuff. Most hate, hate, hate, downtube shifters. The people that like downtube shifters expect a hefty discount over the modern stuff.
And realize if you see a new bike at a bike shop for $1500, the same bike three years old is $500. So modern bike lovers on a budget just go used. They still get almost the same technology at an attractive price.
Realistic pricing should be based on what other vintage similar bikes sell for. New bike pricing has no bearing on price.
There is not a single Trek vintage bike I would ever consider paying your price for, or even half the price. Crossing the $500 price point is hard, pricing the $1000 price point is almost impossible for a factory made, USA vintage bike from a big brand. The only bike I can think of that crosses the $1000 mark is a Chicago made Paramount. They are not bringing $1800.
I often buy bikes locally. The seller asks me if I am going to sell it? My answer is, "I'm the only guy around here that would buy it, so short of selling it to myself, I can't see selling it." Sounds like your only customer is you.
And realize if you see a new bike at a bike shop for $1500, the same bike three years old is $500. So modern bike lovers on a budget just go used. They still get almost the same technology at an attractive price.
Realistic pricing should be based on what other vintage similar bikes sell for. New bike pricing has no bearing on price.
There is not a single Trek vintage bike I would ever consider paying your price for, or even half the price. Crossing the $500 price point is hard, pricing the $1000 price point is almost impossible for a factory made, USA vintage bike from a big brand. The only bike I can think of that crosses the $1000 mark is a Chicago made Paramount. They are not bringing $1800.
I often buy bikes locally. The seller asks me if I am going to sell it? My answer is, "I'm the only guy around here that would buy it, so short of selling it to myself, I can't see selling it." Sounds like your only customer is you.
10-11-18, 11:52 AM
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Those 78 Ishiwata treks are underappreciated, I have one from this forum and think it to be one of the nicer, handmade trek frames that have come through my hands over the years--a long term keeper for me but the frame/fork/headset was shipped for 100 flat fwiw a few years ago That 950 white/blue is a very desirable frameset but priced pretty high. Sounds like you dont care anyway so what's to lose on ebay at that price? Nothing really other than your time--if wanted you can make offer available to get a feel for the market. $100 shipping/pack is about what ebayers are willing to stand though at that price I would be offering free pack/ship to lower 48 which is how I sold most ebay bikes in the day. Find a local shop to pack it for you and use bikeflights to ship anywhere to lower 48 for 20-80 depending on destination zip. Otherwise you can sell the frame/fork and pack it much easier and get some cash for the campy stuff, most buyers of that frame will probably want to build it themselves anyway.
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10-11-18, 02:31 PM
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There is not a single Trek vintage bike I would ever consider paying your price for, or even half the price. Crossing the $500 price point is hard, pricing the $1000 price point is almost impossible for a factory made, USA vintage bike from a big brand. The only bike I can think of that crosses the $1000 mark is a Chicago made Paramount. They are not bringing $1800.
10-11-18, 04:10 PM
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I think the OP was seeing if he could get his price, and at the same time give himself an excuse to keep the bike.
Take the damn bike with you, keep it, and find some young person that will appreciate it, and sell it to them. If you are well off enough find somebody worthy of giving it to.
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I'm your target demographic: older (67) collector of iconic bikes in excellent condition, do my own work and have the correct tools so service isn't an issue, active rider all over the country in vintage events so motivated to buy nice bikes that others get to appreciate, and also have cash in hand to buy bikes. I also realize that nothing in my collection could be sold for what has been invested in time and money.
Your 950 is very nice but, in my opinion and based on actual purchasing experience, it is significantly overpriced for today's market, as is the packing/shipping cost.
Your 950 is very nice but, in my opinion and based on actual purchasing experience, it is significantly overpriced for today's market, as is the packing/shipping cost.
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