I bought a repaint colnago from ebay.
Wanna ask which model likely this one is?
Hope it is not a fake one >.<
rear spacing is 130mm
Thanks everyone

Remove the wheels and take a close-up photo of the front and rear dropouts.
Also a photo of the bottom side of the bottom bracket.

It appears as if your frame has been repainted at some point. I very much doubt that it is a "Master Olympic".
The fork is probably a fairly late model Colnago fork.

I like the lower head tube cutout, but I would expect more than just the one. And, the seat-stays ends don't particularly look "Colnago".

The handlebar stem pantograph appears to be "added", and is probably NOT Colnago.

Thanks Clifford, actually it is not yet shipped.
He have said it is not master Olympic, and may be superissimo.
But after I further check... seems it is not even Colnago
May be I'll have him cancel the order.
It's cheap, but if not Colnago frame, not worth, right?

Colnago Vintage No Master Olympic Campagnolo Record Chorus Athena | eBay

Ask for a photo of the bottom bracket and ask the seller if "Colnago" is embossed on the rear dropouts.

I don't think it is that cheap but I guess it depends on where you are and how hard it is to find a Colnago.

It does look a bit like the Superissimo model, so that may be correct.

Get the BB photo and whether the dropouts are embossed Colnago, then judge from there.

Shipping from Europe is always a pain, but the 8 spd record/chorus gruppo is worth quite a bit too... so if it is genuine (repainted/rebadged), then it isn't a bad deal.

I hate to cancel E-Bay orders unless there is an obvious listing error, but it never hurts to verify.

Thanks all of you. ^.^
I'm asking the seller for photo on bottom of bottom bracket.
Hope he'll reply me soon.
I live in Hong Kong

The dropouts should look somewhat like this, with "Colnago" clearly written on them.



As far as I know, at least since the mid 70's, the bikes all had the Colnago branded dropouts. The early Colnago Supers, however, did use Campagnolo dropouts.

Thanks Clifford, I'm asking this from the seller too.
So far he is not yet reply me anything, hope it is not send out yet.
Thanks again

Master Olympic has fluted tubes.

My concern is the seat stay caps. They don't have the typical Colnago embossing. BB is the key. Could see a decent shot of the head lugs so can't comment. Superissimo typically had chrome head lugs, at least that was true for the early '80's. That was one of the differentiators from the Super. Another is that some Supers don't have chain stay bridges, year dependent I think.

There isn't a picture of the brake bridge either, which could make a difference.
[MENTION=392454]CliffordK[/MENTION] picture also shows what the DP/tubing interface typically looks like on a Colnago. Pinarello and De Rosa have much nicer attention to detail, aesthetically.

BB for an '83
[IMG]P9201312 by superissimo_83, on Flickr[/IMG]

Chain stay bridge:
[IMG]P9201313 by superissimo_83, on Flickr[/IMG]

Brake Bridge, may or may not be embossed:
[IMG]P9201321 by superissimo_83, on Flickr[/IMG]

Don't cancel the order yet... Also see about getting details of the chainstays looking for any crimping or branding. The seat lug isn't quite what I'd expect, but I believe there may be variation on that detail. Agread with others on seat stay caps and need for more details including BB shell. Believe the fork may not be original to the frame, but purchased later. Not a deal breaker on its own. The stem on the club cutout on the lower head lug looks a bit long to my eye. May be more to do with year or who built it than authenticity. A lot looks close, but I'm far from an expert on these. It may be a matter of stacking up all of the details and seeing which way they lean. The lugs look close, I'd expect slightly longer points - again, may just be due to year. Also see if there is a window on the underside of the BB shell where it joins to the down tube. The BB shell will be telling. Do a search on this forum (through google) for thirdgenbird - he has a repainted super(?) that may be worth comparing against.

[MENTION=358081]Sir_Name[/MENTION] identified a window on the BB DT lug which can be seen in the first of the three photos above. Mine does not have a contrasting paint in it.
[MENTION=407560]kykyky138[/MENTION] - Here is an example of the lugs and the DT bottom HL cut out.
[IMG]P9201302 by superissimo_83, on Flickr[/IMG]

Thanks for the photo assist [MENTION=124730]SJX426[/MENTION]. Also, the brake bridge should(?) have a light club outline stamp/engraving that may be filled with paint (i.e. not visible due to paint buildup), though photo 3 in post 10 above does not appear to have this detail. Is it there, SJX?

[MENTION=358081]Sir_Name[/MENTION] no mine does not even have a hint of it. It may have been omitted or there was a time that they didn't use it. I have not seen older models of the Superissimo with it. But then there aren't very many complete photo sets of the Superissimo anyway. Often they are called supers even with the chrome head lugs. This has been a curious journey to understand Colnago models. If the sticker hadn't been on the bike, I wouldn't have known. The Superissimo looks like an afterthought sticker. Then there is the chrome application. My bike has only the chain stays chromed. Lack of paint on the seat stays indicates the lack of chrome much above the DO. Such is not the case with other Colnago models. The super has more chrome on the rear and less on the head tube. There there is the issue of chrome on the forks. My fork is 100% chrome, from the bottom of the steerer to the DO, yet most of it is painted. The chrome on the fork is not the rough kind you would expect under paint but polished. My bike is not a repaint.

Ernesto certainly went to town to make every bike scream Colnago with either the cutouts, embossing or paint schemes of the late 80/90's along with tubing shape. The OP's bike does not scream Colnago to me so I am wondering about the deficiencies and if there was a lower level model that had the shortcuts taken.

Agreed! I believe there is a fair amount of variation even within a given model for a given year. Especially wrt chrome plating locations.

My '83 does not have 'Colnago' branded rear dropouts. Just 'Campagnolo' and the meaningless serial number. Fork tips do have 'Colnago'.

From what's shown above, the seatstay caps give the biggest pause along with other details mentioned above. The Colnago 'Junior' on C&V Sales with Aelle tubing (lower model?) has the rounded 'Colnago' seatstay caps. Lugs on this one are close with some peculiar details mentioned previously. The junction from rear dropout to the stays looks about right, but is a bit more abrupt/rough (tall step from outer DO face to stays), though that may just be a trick of light/paint/photo.

Some helpful links for OP/whomever:

How to identify a fake or genuine Colnago | saarf.net

Velo-Retro: Colnago Super Timeline

The Junior also had heart shaped cutouts which surprised me a bit, but apparently Colnago wanted to make those frames distinctive from the other Colnago frames.

Yes, also interesting that the Junior is built with similarly shaped lugs (windows aside) with the 'shorter' points. The Junior is '85ish, I'm comparing to '83. No idea on date on this frame (whether or not it's a Colnago), so differences may be due to years, or may be due to...something else. Interesting that the seller's photos raise some questions, but leave the bigger ones (BB shell, chainstays) out of the equation.

It looks most like a late 80s-mid 90s Super Sprint but I have not seen that exact seat stay cap on a Colnago. That doesn't mean it is not correct for some year. Maybe someone more familiar with later Colnagos can chime in.

Questionable at best. As some others have noted, the lugs look un-Master-like; same with the tubing. Lack of clovers on the seatstay caps and brake bridge, and an iffy shape to the clover in the lower head lug.

I'd pass. Lots more fish in the sea without questionable bits - and this is an iffy repaint (using Master decals on what is obviously not a Master, incorrect fork), too.

DD

There seem to be enough Colnago bikes with the clover only on the lower headtube... so I'm still keeping this as possible... pending verification of the dropouts and bottom bracket.

If the decals can be removed, I'd just take the Master Olympic script off, then just ride it as-is.

At about $700, it is sharp looking, with older 8-speed Ergo shifters (I see, mostly Athena). Not the best deal, but not a bad deal either.

I suppose it really depends on whether the goal is to get a wall hanging collector's item, or a nice riding bike. This seems to be more in the rider category than collector category.

My 82-83 Superissimo has Campagnolo dropouts

Ahhh...
With such a mix of parts used in steel Colnago bike frames for a half century... Anything goes

Anybody have Gipiemme dropouts in a Colnago?
I doubt one would find Tange or Simplex dropouts in a Colnago.

Anyway, it is still important to see what it is. With the frame coming from Italy... I'm guessing that an Asian clone would be less likely which could make it more difficult to rule out a fake.

Got reply from that Italy seller, he finally found a bike he have that match this model... he was lazy to do this before post on ebay....
It should be repainted Colnago Decor
It make sense he have not necessary to sell fake frame from Asia.
He'll shipping to me by today.
Thanks all of you ^.^

It looks like a good match

Well then. That does seem a good match on this small screen. Different fork, but that's not necessarily a bad thing for a rider. Hopefully the offset is comparable. Post up some more photos when you can if you can make the time. Enjoy.