Shiny chrome Paramount
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Our shop in excising the miserable OEM Campag boat anchor rear derail and installing a Crane GS to the delight for our extremely unhappy P-15 customers claimed the 1st Fix honors and cases of beer from our Regional Schwinn rep for a fix that proliferated through the dealer network. That was an "Approved" post production Fix we were reimbursed for (aside from the beer).
Subsequent OEM was a re-badged Crane/LeTour model: The camel's nose was under the tent and Shimano was recognized as a viable high quality alternative to Euro brands.
OP: Nice bike!
-Bandera
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Most of my older craigslist pick-ups seem to have steep gearing --- even a little Raleigh Technium I found in almost a child's size (48cm) - had 54-42 crankset with a 12-23 rear end
I recall one of the shop keeps in my town in about '93 or so snickering at the stock gearing on my bike at the time - (also a 12-23) -- he stated that such low ratios were fine for recreational cyclists, but if I had competitive aspirations , I need to muscle up a bit and use a 12-20 or 12-21
fast forward to today when even some of the tour Pro's were using 12-28 cassettes and in one case, a 12-32. 12-28 was MTB gearing in the mid 90's
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Keep in mind that w/5 cogs close ratios for racing were not the same as w/ 10 or 11 cogs and wide range derails.
A 49X26 (a wide ratio post WWII) was a 50GI, we quickly went w/ "sissy gears" of 42X26 low for 43GI for the most difficult climbs. Today >40 years on I have a 36GI low fitted for the same terrain......
How can you tell if a C&V bicycle is an old racing machine?
If the current owner can't hack the gearing........
-Bandera
A 49X26 (a wide ratio post WWII) was a 50GI, we quickly went w/ "sissy gears" of 42X26 low for 43GI for the most difficult climbs. Today >40 years on I have a 36GI low fitted for the same terrain......

How can you tell if a C&V bicycle is an old racing machine?
If the current owner can't hack the gearing........

-Bandera
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Bikes: Fillet-brazed Schwinns
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Our shop in excising the miserable OEM Campag boat anchor rear derail and installing a Crane GS to the delight for our extremely unhappy P-15 customers claimed the 1st Fix honors and cases of beer from our Regional Schwinn rep for a fix that proliferated through the dealer network. That was an "Approved" post production Fix we were reimbursed for (aside from the beer).
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Stan Natanek was an ever present QC/QA process rock who took feedback from the field seriously, incorporated it into the tech bulletins and communicated to Schwinn purchasing agents ASAP.
When our Fix for the miserable OEM Campag rear derails was quickly implemented in the field Approved spec went to Shimano for the triple rear derail on the P-15, a sea change in component selection for the finest gentleman's bicycle in North America of the era ( or perhaps any).
Thank Stan,
-Bandera
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From: Santa Rosa, California
Bikes: Waterford 953 RS-22, several Paramounts
You may not remember but this came up before. According to an early November '72 Schwinn dealer "News Flash" bulletin the last 600+ '72 Paramounts were held over to be completed in 1973, a figure which given a total of 3,300 Paramounts that year (or about 275 a month) would include more than all of November and December production. This means that your Dec. '72 Paramount wasn't actually built until 1973, which explains why it ended up with the GT-300 derailleur.
Richard could be mistaken, I guess. I purchased it from the original owner who was a teenager working as a Schwinn Certified Mechanic at his father's shop, Tarzana Schwinn, when he purchased it. He told me it was all original when I drove down and picked it up.
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There was a very close relationship between the dealers and the factory that we/they relied on "back when".
Stan Natanik (sp) was an ever present QC/QA process rock who took feedback from the field seriously, incorporated it into the tech bulletins and communicated to Schwinn purchasing agents ASAP.
Stan Natanik (sp) was an ever present QC/QA process rock who took feedback from the field seriously, incorporated it into the tech bulletins and communicated to Schwinn purchasing agents ASAP.
Unfortunately Stan Natanek passed away in 2001.
I'll have to check to be sure but I may have seen some sort of bulletin about authorizing free replacements of the Gran Turismo on the Paramounts.The pile of papers is large so I can't promise anything.
*This manual was originally available exclusively to franchised Schwinn dealers, however in 1973 Schwinn discontinued the loose-leaf Dealer's only version and began selling a 2 volume bound version to consumers, a move which upset several dealers at the time.
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There was a very close relationship between the dealers and the factory that we/they relied on "back when".
Stan Natanik (sp) was an ever present QC/QA process rock who took feedback from the field seriously, incorporated it into the tech bulletins and communicated to Schwinn purchasing agents ASAP.
When our Fix for the miserable OEM Campag rear derails was quickly implemented in the field Approved spec went to Shimano for the triple rear derail on the P-15, a sea change in component selection for the finest gentleman's bicycle in North America of the era ( or perhaps any).
Thank Stan,
-Bandera
Stan Natanik (sp) was an ever present QC/QA process rock who took feedback from the field seriously, incorporated it into the tech bulletins and communicated to Schwinn purchasing agents ASAP.
When our Fix for the miserable OEM Campag rear derails was quickly implemented in the field Approved spec went to Shimano for the triple rear derail on the P-15, a sea change in component selection for the finest gentleman's bicycle in North America of the era ( or perhaps any).
Thank Stan,
-Bandera
From Schwinn Reporter, April 1961. This is at one of Stan's classes in Miami.
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I must say they have been a wealth of information on various Schwinn anomalies like this.
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"The finest gentleman's bicycle in North America"
Man Bandera , you are a bit of an orator --- this statement puts the Paramount in the same vein as a vintage Lincoln Continental or something ----
I really need to experience this sometime
Man Bandera , you are a bit of an orator --- this statement puts the Paramount in the same vein as a vintage Lincoln Continental or something ----
I really need to experience this sometime
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As I recall we handled the exchange as a warranty issue: Gran Turdissimo in the returns box, credit from Chicago when processed.
-Bandera
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Exactly. Now you know why there were *two* dates shown, the first being when the frame was built and the latter being when the bike was actually built and shipped. Mystery solved thanks to the News Flash bulletins I've managed to collect. 
I must say they have been a wealth of information on various Schwinn anomalies like this.

I must say they have been a wealth of information on various Schwinn anomalies like this.
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