Please help me in identifying a frame or model bicycle
 

Hi, Please help me in identifying a frame or model bicycle.

Unable to find a serial number (under paint? ...)


front and rear derailleurs: Miche (by Suntour)
Hubs:?
Rims: Nisi
Brakes: Saccon
Shifters: Suntour Accushift
Pedals: Miche
Seatpost: Miche
Seat: Selle Royal
Headset: Miche
Crankset: Miche Trofeo
Handlebar: Cycloman Sterling
Steering column: Cycloman
Dropouts (frame and fork): Gippieme

For any information I´ll be very grateful.Thanks

PS: Does anyone know, when can I find the serial number?

I would put a link, but I do not have ten posts. :-(

Reads like a mid level Italian. Check the threading. Search the bottom bracket shell for stampings-- it may be a contract bike, made by one company and then rebadged for another. And check the thread on bottom bracket drain holes for a match.

Thanks, how do I remove parts, look closely. On the bottom bracket I found only number 55
But this is probably the size of the frame...?

Yep. For some reason it looks BMZ to me (Italian contract builder). This is based on nothing but a hunch and could be entirely wrong, so there you have it.


Check this thread for possible clues: http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ain-holes.html


It is the most distinctive thing on the bike (short of decals, which there appear to be none). You can at least eliminate a lot of brands this way-- it's not a Viner or a Guericotti, for instance.

On the downtube found the rest of the labels (maybe) "Record"

Daccordi?

I thought that too, so I took a gander at some decals and drain holes. Not a match, but...

It is sure that threading is 36x24f

The paint struck me as Moser-ish but Daccordi was the only brand that immediately came to mind with 'cord" in it. Drain holes and cable routers reminded me of Pinarello, before they introduced their eponymous shell. However, lugs are wrong. Overall impression is the same as yours, an Italian contract build, though I'd add that it appears to be lower mid-range and probably late 1980s.

Maybe help head tube with visible edge of labels?

Whatever it is, I like it.
Check the seatpost diameter -- I'll bet it is 27.2mm, also a good sign.

Who all used hearts besides De Rosa?

I like it too, for a good price € 50 :) and the 6-hour trip.

But okey, seatpost diameter 26.6 mm

And frame:

Top tube: 25.4
down tube: 28.6
seat tube: 28.6
seat stay: 14

A 26.6mm seat post is indicative a straight gauge tubeset. The Italian tubesets that used this size and immediately come to mind are Columbus Zeta and Oria TT 0.9. If the post is slightly under size, it could be Columbus Aelle or Gara. Regardless, all fit the lower, mid-range profile.

The quality and type of of tubes for me is not so important. Not looking for high end, I would just like to put the bike to its original condition, including paint, of course. Therefore, I find the brand and model. The frame is light, rigid and I love Components Miche ... anyone have any ideas for painting? Anyway, thanks for all answers and opinions.

I'd clean it up first. It doesn't look like it needs a ton of touch up. However, the eighties Italians used a lot of fugitive bright colors-- ie, the paint would fade over time. If you can figure out the brand it is likely you can buy replacement decals.


Respray is usually a last resort and usually $$$$ to have it done right. I would set the bike up and see if you enjoy riding it before making a decision as to any potential respray. Just an opinion, feel free to discard.

In my opinion, the paint on the bicycle is home made ...

Of course I want to clean my bikes, and grease.

I found a very similar vintage 80s frame Colner

As I have discovered with my 1959 Capo, plain gauge moly steel tubing ain't necessarily a bad thing. Lots of folks really like their Raleigh Super Courses, as well. :) As long as the frame is of at least this quality, I think I care more about frame size and geometry, and Italian bikes generally seem to handle and ride very nicely.

Colner 80"s

Some better photos of the frame to identify:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/michal...57677103229314

And bottom bracket Colner 80"s

Please, what do you say about this? It seems very similar.

(Please scroll down for more pictures)

to my bike here

https://www.flickr.com/photos/michal...57677103229314

A lot of Italian paint from this time looks home-made after (minimal) wear. It would fall off the bike if you looked at it hard.

don't think yours is a Colner, but T-Mar has it right: it's a contract-built frame made from something like Columbus Gara but the features it shares with this "budget model Colnago" don't shed any light on who was the contractor: those lugs, the slotted BB shell, the brake and chainstay bridges are all quite common to dozens or hundreds of possible frames. The "strap" cable guide on the BB shell (that WAS something early Pinarellos had) was also done by a couple other makes, too, but that's something that might narrow the field, it's more distinctive than anything else I see...
Also, very hard to tell much from the shots of the missing decals but what I CAN make out of the tops of the letterforms, there IS some similarity to the Daccordi logo...I'd study that brand some more, specifically if they offered some 'budget" models in the late '80s...

I'm not entirely sold on it being a Colner but it is within the realm of possibility.


Some of the Colners (gad, speelchunk hates that name) were pretty cool bikes.


Not only that, some year to year differences are expected.



I'd get some more shots of Colners and compare. Here, the two main clues are the headbadge outline and the drain holes IMO. The headbadge does not appear to match from what I see (Colners used a spade, keeping with the playing card theme of Colnagos).

And I'm with the contract build as well. However, a lot (all?) of the BMZ made bikes I've seen had "BMZ" stamped somewhere on the BB shell IIRC. There's one in the depth of the basement I could check to jog my very faulty memory. But BMZ was not the only Italian contract maker, either. Unworthy's post above is spot on IMO: The lugs provide no clue, as they are quite common.

Okay, thank you all for today's views. Tomorrow I'll take the bike for a decent outdoor light and compare the collected photos of opinions here. Of course I will add some quality photos. For now, thanks!

It's very hard to get info on the bicycle contract builders of Italy, probably because they WANT to remain in the shadows.
The big names we know of include
BMZ (also spelled out Biemmezeta) as mentioned by Poguemahone, yes they nearly always stamped their logo on the BB shell or elsewhere but I'm sure there will be exceptions.
Billato Brothers are perhaps one of the largest and most of their work is unmarked
Bonati Brothers seem to be associated with later-era Ciocc, Conti, Concorde and perhaps some other Milano-area brands like Battaglin (perhaps).
There were small-output high-end shops like Giovanni Losa who made lots of the Cinelli frames but also MAY have built some Colnagos, too...certainly some other brands.
lastly the word is/was that Romani were a very big contract concern in earlier years but shut their doors in the '70s

That's all I got on this subject, I'm sure folks like Angel Garcia and Steve Maasland (not to mention T-Mar) know much, much more!