Please help me in identifying a frame or model bicycle
02-23-17 | 04:21 AM
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Please help me in identifying a frame or model bicycle
Hi, Please help me in identifying a frame or model bicycle.
Unable to find a serial number (under paint? ...)
front and rear derailleurs: Miche (by Suntour)
Hubs:?
Rims: Nisi
Brakes: Saccon
Shifters: Suntour Accushift
Pedals: Miche
Seatpost: Miche
Seat: Selle Royal
Headset: Miche
Crankset: Miche Trofeo
Handlebar: Cycloman Sterling
Steering column: Cycloman
Dropouts (frame and fork): Gippieme
For any information IŽll be very grateful.Thanks
PS: Does anyone know, when can I find the serial number?
I would put a link, but I do not have ten posts. :-(
Unable to find a serial number (under paint? ...)
front and rear derailleurs: Miche (by Suntour)
Hubs:?
Rims: Nisi
Brakes: Saccon
Shifters: Suntour Accushift
Pedals: Miche
Seatpost: Miche
Seat: Selle Royal
Headset: Miche
Crankset: Miche Trofeo
Handlebar: Cycloman Sterling
Steering column: Cycloman
Dropouts (frame and fork): Gippieme
For any information IŽll be very grateful.Thanks
PS: Does anyone know, when can I find the serial number?
I would put a link, but I do not have ten posts. :-(
02-23-17 | 05:21 AM
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Reads like a mid level Italian. Check the threading. Search the bottom bracket shell for stampings-- it may be a contract bike, made by one company and then rebadged for another. And check the thread on bottom bracket drain holes for a match.
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02-23-17 | 09:10 AM
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Yep. For some reason it looks BMZ to me (Italian contract builder). This is based on nothing but a hunch and could be entirely wrong, so there you have it.
Check this thread for possible clues: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ain-holes.html
It is the most distinctive thing on the bike (short of decals, which there appear to be none). You can at least eliminate a lot of brands this way-- it's not a Viner or a Guericotti, for instance.
Check this thread for possible clues: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ain-holes.html
It is the most distinctive thing on the bike (short of decals, which there appear to be none). You can at least eliminate a lot of brands this way-- it's not a Viner or a Guericotti, for instance.
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02-23-17 | 09:33 AM
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I thought that too, so I took a gander at some decals and drain holes. Not a match, but...
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02-23-17 | 09:59 AM
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The paint struck me as Moser-ish but Daccordi was the only brand that immediately came to mind with 'cord" in it. Drain holes and cable routers reminded me of Pinarello, before they introduced their eponymous shell. However, lugs are wrong. Overall impression is the same as yours, an Italian contract build, though I'd add that it appears to be lower mid-range and probably late 1980s.
02-23-17 | 10:26 AM
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Whatever it is, I like it.
Check the seatpost diameter -- I'll bet it is 27.2mm, also a good sign.
Check the seatpost diameter -- I'll bet it is 27.2mm, also a good sign.
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Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
02-23-17 | 10:28 AM
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02-23-17 | 11:16 AM
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I like it too, for a good price € 50 
and the 6-hour trip.
But okey, seatpost diameter 26.6 mm
And frame:
Top tube: 25.4
down tube: 28.6
seat tube: 28.6
seat stay: 14
and the 6-hour trip.But okey, seatpost diameter 26.6 mm
And frame:
Top tube: 25.4
down tube: 28.6
seat tube: 28.6
seat stay: 14
Last edited by michalmox; 02-23-17 at 11:29 AM. Reason: Seat stay and chain stay diameter
02-23-17 | 11:43 AM
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A 26.6mm seat post is indicative a straight gauge tubeset. The Italian tubesets that used this size and immediately come to mind are Columbus Zeta and Oria TT 0.9. If the post is slightly under size, it could be Columbus Aelle or Gara. Regardless, all fit the lower, mid-range profile.
02-23-17 | 01:28 PM
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The quality and type of of tubes for me is not so important. Not looking for high end, I would just like to put the bike to its original condition, including paint, of course. Therefore, I find the brand and model. The frame is light, rigid and I love Components Miche ... anyone have any ideas for painting? Anyway, thanks for all answers and opinions.
02-23-17 | 04:25 PM
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The quality and type of of tubes for me is not so important. Not looking for high end, I would just like to put the bike to its original condition, including paint, of course. Therefore, I find the brand and model. The frame is light, rigid and I love Components Miche ... anyone have any ideas for painting? Anyway, thanks for all answers and opinions.
I'd clean it up first. It doesn't look like it needs a ton of touch up. However, the eighties Italians used a lot of fugitive bright colors-- ie, the paint would fade over time. If you can figure out the brand it is likely you can buy replacement decals.
Respray is usually a last resort and usually $$$$ to have it done right. I would set the bike up and see if you enjoy riding it before making a decision as to any potential respray. Just an opinion, feel free to discard.
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02-23-17 | 04:42 PM
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A 26.6mm seat post is indicative a straight gauge tubeset. The Italian tubesets that used this size and immediately come to mind are Columbus Zeta and Oria TT 0.9. If the post is slightly under size, it could be Columbus Aelle or Gara. Regardless, all fit the lower, mid-range profile.
As long as the frame is of at least this quality, I think I care more about frame size and geometry, and Italian bikes generally seem to handle and ride very nicely.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
02-23-17 | 04:45 PM
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02-23-17 | 05:08 PM
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I'd clean it up first. It doesn't look like it needs a ton of touch up. However, the eighties Italians used a lot of fugitive bright colors-- ie, the paint would fade over time. If you can figure out the brand it is likely you can buy replacement decals.
Respray is usually a last resort and usually $$$$ to have it done right. I would set the bike up and see if you enjoy riding it before making a decision as to any potential respray. Just an opinion, feel free to discard.
Respray is usually a last resort and usually $$$$ to have it done right. I would set the bike up and see if you enjoy riding it before making a decision as to any potential respray. Just an opinion, feel free to discard.
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02-23-17 | 05:28 PM
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A lot of Italian paint from this time looks home-made after (minimal) wear. It would fall off the bike if you looked at it hard.
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