don't think yours is a Colner, but T-Mar has it right: it's a contract-built frame made from something like Columbus Gara but the features it shares with this "budget model Colnago" don't shed any light on who was the contractor: those lugs, the slotted BB shell, the brake and chainstay bridges are all quite common to dozens or hundreds of possible frames. The "strap" cable guide on the BB shell (that WAS something early Pinarellos had) was also done by a couple other makes, too, but that's something that might narrow the field, it's more distinctive than anything else I see...
Also, very hard to tell much from the shots of the missing decals but what I CAN make out of the tops of the letterforms, there IS some similarity to the Daccordi logo...I'd study that brand some more, specifically if they offered some 'budget" models in the late '80s...

I'm not entirely sold on it being a Colner but it is within the realm of possibility.


Some of the Colners (gad, speelchunk hates that name) were pretty cool bikes.


Not only that, some year to year differences are expected.



I'd get some more shots of Colners and compare. Here, the two main clues are the headbadge outline and the drain holes IMO. The headbadge does not appear to match from what I see (Colners used a spade, keeping with the playing card theme of Colnagos).

And I'm with the contract build as well. However, a lot (all?) of the BMZ made bikes I've seen had "BMZ" stamped somewhere on the BB shell IIRC. There's one in the depth of the basement I could check to jog my very faulty memory. But BMZ was not the only Italian contract maker, either. Unworthy's post above is spot on IMO: The lugs provide no clue, as they are quite common.

Okay, thank you all for today's views. Tomorrow I'll take the bike for a decent outdoor light and compare the collected photos of opinions here. Of course I will add some quality photos. For now, thanks!

It's very hard to get info on the bicycle contract builders of Italy, probably because they WANT to remain in the shadows.
The big names we know of include
BMZ (also spelled out Biemmezeta) as mentioned by Poguemahone, yes they nearly always stamped their logo on the BB shell or elsewhere but I'm sure there will be exceptions.
Billato Brothers are perhaps one of the largest and most of their work is unmarked
Bonati Brothers seem to be associated with later-era Ciocc, Conti, Concorde and perhaps some other Milano-area brands like Battaglin (perhaps).
There were small-output high-end shops like Giovanni Losa who made lots of the Cinelli frames but also MAY have built some Colnagos, too...certainly some other brands.
lastly the word is/was that Romani were a very big contract concern in earlier years but shut their doors in the '70s

That's all I got on this subject, I'm sure folks like Angel Garcia and Steve Maasland (not to mention T-Mar) know much, much more!

Hello, I removed the bicycle components and made again some photos to compare with Colner, which seems to me very close to late models of the eighties.

And more photos

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Still not quite buying Colner because of the headbadge. I suggest finding out where/if Colners had their serial numbers stamped. You may have to take Colner features and compare them to yours. The absence of such features will help at least eliminate that brand.




I see nothing in the points of comparison-- things like seat stay caps, lug designs, dropout manufacture-- that I couldn't also find in other bikes. I think you are comparing non-distinctive features to one another. The BB shells' drain holes are similar, but the cable routing not so much.


I think you can also trust your paint and decal shadows to be original. It looks to me like a typical faded and pitted 80s Italian paint job, not a homebrew one. The "Record" may be a clue.


Could it be a Colner? Sure. But I'd want more evidence.


By the way, there's a decent Italian vintage bulletin board-- in Italian. They are quite knowledgeable and worth a shot if it doesn't work out here. Location: Vintage - Bici da corsa | BDC-forum.it

Also, in comparing the two, I see several small features that are off between the two, like the top tube cable runs. This is not disqualifying! It does, however, make me want to investigate further.


I think not Colner. Not based on what I see.

Okay, so I found some information about Record Cycles in the Australian Cycling Forums.

Record Cycles - Australian Cycling Forums - Bicycles Network Australia

Who made this 'McBain Record'? - Australian Cycling Forums - Bicycles Network Australia

OK this puts an interesting twist in things: do your decal "outlines" line up with the RECORD decals from these graphics?
Reading the one entry from that guy who syas that hundreds of these "rub-down" transfers had been sold to folks downunder, I suspect all it can tell us is that PERHAPS this frame was once (or is currently) somewhere near AUS...Where are YOU located, michalmox?

From my brief forays into Australian cycling stuff, it seems there were a lot of shop brands that ranged from contract made elsewhere to custom in shop builds (Abeni is an example IIRC) to Australian mass manufacture. We may be headed into messy territory here... not that anywhere else is necessarily easier.


This one smells like Italian contract to me, though-- the drops indicate that; you don't see them often on non-Italians.

I'm from the Czech Republic, where I also bought a bike week ago. Of the history of bicycle I know only that it was imported from Germany and has long been forgotten in the cellar here in Czech.

I also founded the topic at the Australian Cycling Forums:

Please help me in identifying a vintage frame or model bicycle RECORD? - Australian Cycling Forums - Bicycles Network Australia

I'm not an expert on decals, so send a few photos.

Bottom bracket of Dancelli Paris-Roubaix on https://tarck.bike/node/15792

Well the Dancelli does have the same headlugs, same slotted BB shell and "strap" cable guide (confirming that other brands than Pinarello used this) and slightly similar fade paint at the BB area...BUT, there are many details that differ, look at the seat cluster for one. Sorry to say you will probably be searching a very long time before you find an exact match, if ever. You may have to live with just calling this an un-named Italian frame...but don't stop looking at the details and learning, if you enjoy this.

I recall seeing a mid-level Italian frame on this Forum - or maybe Ebay - called a "Record". Not as a model name, but on the down and seat tubes, as the framebuilder would do.

The ghost-lettering placement, while looking like it could be Daccordi, might just say Record. Spacing leads me to believe that's more likely than Daccordi.

DD

Hello, thanks for your opinions. Identify the frame failed even on the Italian forum.
Identificare Vecchia ???? da corsa 1980s - Bici da corsa | BDC-forum.it

Stickers are really "Record" - as shown below the text. In times of socialism in Czechoslovakia were the only "foreign brands" stickers to be found. My opinion is that the original was only at the head tube.

The frame is a combination of Pinarello Veneto, Dacorrdi, Dancelli, Colner end of the 80s ...

The frame is already in the hands of Painter and the components disassembled and cleaned. In search of classic stickers Columbus for the frame and fork, I discovered a set of stickers that seem to use it.

Perhaps it offended anyone ... What is certain is that the tubes are columbus (hopefully) AELLE

Actually, the tubes may be a better grade if the picture in post #32 was taken after you gave us the 26.6mm post measurement. The cinch slot in the picture appears to be notably pinched at the top, indicating an undersize post has been used. If it was intended for as larger size post, then the the tube walls would be thinner/lighter, indicating a better grade tubeset.

Everything indicates the size seatposts 26.6. I got home and another reynolds track frame and the difference is noticeable. According to all of the photos I've looked in recent weeks frame really reminds columbus AELLE of 80s.