wheels with spokes on the hub
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wheels with spokes on the hub
They used to make wheels with spoke nipples on the hub. For instance:
Shimano 7700 and 7800
Cane Creek
This makes for less rotational inertia, and perhaps less wind resistance. Seems to make sense to me. Why did they stop making them this way?
Made edit thanks to dabac below. Was a late night post.
Shimano 7700 and 7800
Cane Creek
This makes for less rotational inertia, and perhaps less wind resistance. Seems to make sense to me. Why did they stop making them this way?
Made edit thanks to dabac below. Was a late night post.
Last edited by mraeryceos; 06-24-17 at 05:28 PM.
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I'm assuming you refer to wheels with the spoke NIPPLES at the hub?
Several options springs to mind:
-with only the "button" at the end of the spoke to transfer load, the rim needed reinforcing to hold up. Maybe This ate up most of the weight savings.
- more difficult tool access making building slower
- reduced bracing angle for (half) the DS spokes.
Several options springs to mind:
-with only the "button" at the end of the spoke to transfer load, the rim needed reinforcing to hold up. Maybe This ate up most of the weight savings.
- more difficult tool access making building slower
- reduced bracing angle for (half) the DS spokes.
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If the spokes screw straight into the rims, I don't see why they would need to be reinforced. It would be a smaller hole for a straight pull spoke, than for a nipple.
What do you mean by "reduced bracing angle for (half) the DS spokes". Drive side spokes? How so?
I'm willing to put up with the more difficult tool access
What do you mean by "reduced bracing angle for (half) the DS spokes". Drive side spokes? How so?
I'm willing to put up with the more difficult tool access
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It is much easier to true a wheel with the nipples out at the rim. You not only have plenty of room for your spoke wrench, but you can also sense and feel your action on the rim.
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"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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This reduces the bracing angle. Or "dish" if you prefer.
Also remember that the bicycle industry is quite influenced by fashion.
Nipples by the hub were "new" for awhile. New always sells. Then its not new anymore. Since it Didn't offer significant benefits, it was dropped. You may see it return eventually with a slightly altered sales pitch.
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Rims are made of softer/weaker materials than spokes. A smaller hole is not a benefit, its a disadvantage. Eyeletted rims are already known to offer durability benefits over rims where the nipple goes straight into the rim. And the eyelet helps spread the load over a greater area. Something like a traditional straight-pull spoke poked straight through a rim would cause a considerable greater load concentration than even a regular nippled build. Unless the rim is reinforced at the spoke seat, I foresee regular pull-throughs.
If the DS spokes get thicker where they attach to the hub, the center line of the spokes has to be moved further away from the cassette. Even more so in a crossed pattern.
Maybe I'm just a fan of how it looks LOL
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