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My knowledge is wrong on an hourly basis, but the 3000s, were top $$ and made by DeRosa and not in Mexico.
Never heard of a 3000 failure. |
We were speaking of valet parking. Yesterday I was offered valet parking for my bike at a fundraiser party for Transportation Alternatives which is a nonprofit advocacy group for walking, bikes, and mass transit. This is the first time I've seen it in NYC. It was lucky for me, too, as I didn't know it would be an elegant party with people all dressed up. I was the only one in shorts and a t-shirt. I thought it was going to be a street party, but it was held in the museum called New York Historical Society and it claims to be New York's first museum. Since I thought it was a street party, I didn't bring my bike lock.
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I have a 3000 which is clearly stamped 'I' on the BB shell, which apparently differentiates it as an Italian-made model. I've heard that they were made in Mexico as well, and had problems with consistency in heat treating. Also, the 3000's were supposedly built by Benotto craftsmen at the De Rosa factory.
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Two months after I spotted this Ideale 92H saddle and bravely walked away, I went back this morning to see if it was still around. It was, so I brought it home.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...de29b54afe.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...56afa2fc27.jpg They also had this CFR-2 that I left in position. There's a battered Stumpjumper behind it. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b7f374e29f.jpg |
Originally Posted by thumpism
(Post 23581755)
Two months after I spotted this Ideale 92H saddle and bravely walked away, I went back this morning to see if it was still around. It was, so I brought it home.
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Originally Posted by RCMoeur
(Post 23581941)
So you caught it on the re-bour? :)
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Cool Mikkelsen at waterside. I’m surprised it’s still here
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...003f27c50.jpeg |
I, too, was at Street Level Cycles in Berkeley today. (I collect bike shops, and just found out about them the other day in the restomod MB-Zip thread. Cool shop, cool bikes, cool dudes.
I picked up three used jerseys and 2 pair of arm warmers for $5. (I needed the 2nd pair of armwarmers to make 5 items for the 5-for-5 deal on used kit... they wouldn't let me only take 4 things.) They also do open shop on Saturdays and Sundays. --Shannon |
Hey co-op worker bees.
How do you organize/display your handlebars? They are the scourge of any display where I've been |
Originally Posted by Robvolz
(Post 23587677)
Hey co-op worker bees.
How do you organize/display your handlebars? They are the scourge of any display where I've been Unless integrated or proprietary, stems are pulled and reside in separate bins (one for quill stems, another for threadless). We've tried segregating quill stems by diameter (21.1, 22.2, 25.4, etc.) but customers seem to always mix them back together. |
Originally Posted by jPrichard10
(Post 23536062)
I might be grabbing one of these for my sister-in-law, but I wanted to be sure of some things.
I had heard some Benottos had high failure rates, and this includes the 3000. I had also heard that the Mexican built Benottos copied many of the (otherwise signature) De Rosa techniques such as the heart cutout and diamond chainstays. Not sure what to make of either of these rumors, but I don't want to build up a bike for my sister-in-law only to have the seat tube crack. Who can assuage my fears? Of course, my opinion is worth exactly what you are paying for it. |
The Mexican Benottos have been discussed before on the forum. I have a 3000 which has an 'I' stamped in the BB shell, allegedly meaning 'Italy'. Regardless, it is one of the nicest riding bikes of this era that I have.
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Originally Posted by bikingshearer
(Post 23587725)
I've heard the horror stories, although I have never seen a Benotto 3000 in the flesh, cracked or whole. My take is that they have been around for a lot of years now, the odds are that any that were going to crack have already cracked. and any riders that are still around are likely okay. If it has been a garage queen for the last 40 years, then the risk of a bad one goes up.
Of course, my opinion is worth exactly what you are paying for it. |
Originally Posted by ThomasOmalley
(Post 23587600)
Cool Mikkelsen at waterside. I’m surprised it’s still here
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...003f27c50.jpeg What's the asking price? I often go to the "fixit and used parts bins" shop they have down the road but as mentioned this is only open on weekends, or I'd go there even more often! |
Originally Posted by jPrichard10
(Post 23587869)
These all appear to be unsold frames, hence the hesitation.
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Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 23532322)
I'm trying to work that out now. We finally got a trailer hitch rack for the car, but ain't no way I'm going to mount the bike side-to-side.
I used to harbor visions of extending the roof cross-bars to the right, and mounting/clamping the tandem to the crossbar ends, alongside the right doors/windows. Like a shoulder mounted rocket launcher. This assumes strong crossbars, and that no vehicle occupants use those doors, or lack self-respect/feel embarrassment. Good luck! :thumb: |
Originally Posted by panzerwagon
(Post 23588046)
I’ve had success mounting one behind the minivan, removing both wheels, and flipping fork around. Assuming no front/rear racks, might provide just enough cover. Then again, modern vehicles keep getting taller and wider, so depends on yours.
I used to harbor visions of extending the roof cross-bars to the right, and mounting/clamping the tandem to the crossbar ends, alongside the right doors/windows. Like a shoulder mounted rocket launcher. This assumes strong crossbars, and that no vehicle occupants use those doors, or lack self-respect/feel embarrassment. Good luck! :thumb: https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...27c3a4fab.jpeg Here’s the only picture I have of the tandem on the truck and perspective makes the wheel look like it is sticking out further than it really is. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...81593f800.jpeg |
unworthy1 if I remember correctly between $550-$650. It’s a tall ask for a small bike. My lady said “it’d be cuter with different handlebars.” I think it’d sell faster too.
I agree with your assessment. It is an oddball, likely made for someone with body dimensions that don’t fit the standard mold. I still think this bike is really cool and more specifically, very “Berkeley” cool. After all, what Berkeley local (regardless of gender) can resist a well made pink bike?? |
I used to carry our Burley tandem on my F150 on a hitch rack, the kind that cradles the top tube. It stuck out past the sides of the bed but not past the large F250 style mirrors that come with the tow package. But it also works fine to carry it with the steering hung over the tailgate like a MTB
I should make a co-op run, I have quite a lot of stuff right now that doesn't fit any bike we presently own. My kids dumped some of it out a little while back so they could play with the box https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f24ea1506.jpeg |
I recently found a fairly minty though mislabeled Lotus touring bicycle with Columbus tubing and some other nice details at our local co-op in Missoula, Freecycles. I’d been looking for an old tourer of the Miyata variety for a Euro trip we’ve planned for next spring, but couldn’t really pass this up. A little bit of TLC and some fresh grease had everything looking and riding like new. This is my first real nice steel lugged bike, and it really “planes.” I’ve got a few slight changes and additions planned, but already love it as-is.
I posted another thread on the touring forum with more detail about this bike if anyone is at all curious. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1a332fdf7.jpeg |
For pure adventure, nothing beats the Missoula co-op.
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Originally Posted by ThomasOmalley
(Post 23589693)
unworthy1 if I remember correctly between $550-$650. It’s a tall ask for a small bike. My lady said “it’d be cuter with different handlebars.” I think it’d sell faster too.
I agree with your assessment. It is an oddball, likely made for someone with body dimensions that don’t fit the standard mold. I still think this bike is really cool and more specifically, very “Berkeley” cool. After all, what Berkeley local (regardless of gender) can resist a well made pink bike?? But Bernie had put a lot of effort into his own "fit-kit" type frame measuring equipment so I bet it was very carefully "tuned" to the original customer...plus it's tig-welded and I'd be much more excited by a Mikkelsen with lugs! Except I bet he couldn't get these angles if he used lugs. Pink is also very popular with wanna-be "Giro d'Italia Champions" whether in Berkeley or elsewhere :rolleyes: |
Saw this at the coop the other day and it left me with a bit of an itch. I’m going to put some knobblies on this thing and race it in the local cyclocross circuit this fall. Setting a limit of $100 to get this ripping again. Coincidentally it’s the first Schwinn I’ve ever owned.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6dba1fe05.jpeg OG “gravel” ride. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...712586536.jpeg Room for a lot more rubber https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...af9264587.jpeg Wheels in top shape. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9a168aca0.jpeg Safety features. |
Originally Posted by 25.4TPI
(Post 23591006)
Saw this at the coop the other day and it left me with a bit of an itch. I’m going to put some knobblies on this thing and race it in the local cyclocross circuit this fall. Setting a limit of $100 to get this ripping again. Coincidentally it’s the first Schwinn I’ve ever owned.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6dba1fe05.jpeg OG “gravel” ride. |
Vintage bikes getting a little crazy at the Rusty Spoke in Phoenix.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5692d3cd83.jpg 1972 Paramount (mostly Campy), Early 70s Mondia (mostly Campy), Panasonic DX5000, Schwinn Circuit, Gitane Tour de France, Cilo (mostly Campy), Miami Vice Centurion Iron Man, etc. |
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