Help IDing this Frameset/lugs. Olmo?
10-17-17 | 12:54 PM
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Help IDing this Frameset/lugs. Olmo?
Picked up this frameset that has been subjected to a low quality respray and was wondering if anyone could id the builder or at least the type of lugs used. Thanks in advance!
10-17-17 | 01:51 PM
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Do not think Olmo.
Lugset is a pattern somewhat similar to the Agrati "AM" used extensively by Olmo and many other Italian makers; but is not the same. Crown is a BOCAMA pattern, also distributed by RonKit and Bertin as Milremo brand. Lugs and seat stay cap look more like a Brit bike. Are there markings on the right side of the seat tube just below the seat lug?
Headset looks like it could be a Brampton. Seat binder looks like one frequently employed in the UK. It is not a Gripfast however. Might be a Brampton.
Have you made a threading check as yet so as to rule in/out possible nationalities?
A look at the ends, both bow and stern, would likely assist the assembled experts...
Currently leaning toward a UK origin.
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Do not think Olmo.
Lugset is a pattern somewhat similar to the Agrati "AM" used extensively by Olmo and many other Italian makers; but is not the same. Crown is a BOCAMA pattern, also distributed by RonKit and Bertin as Milremo brand. Lugs and seat stay cap look more like a Brit bike. Are there markings on the right side of the seat tube just below the seat lug?
Headset looks like it could be a Brampton. Seat binder looks like one frequently employed in the UK. It is not a Gripfast however. Might be a Brampton.
Have you made a threading check as yet so as to rule in/out possible nationalities?
A look at the ends, both bow and stern, would likely assist the assembled experts...
Currently leaning toward a UK origin.
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Last edited by juvela; 10-17-17 at 02:34 PM. Reason: addition
10-17-17 | 02:03 PM
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A Carlton Flyer, perhaps? Carltons in the 68 - 72 period had up to 7 digit long serials and this one has 6. The lugs, crown and flat plate stay cap look right. Possibly a Holdsworth from the same period.
10-17-17 | 02:42 PM
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Our Jim is on to something como per normale!
Here is the lug set on 3alarmer's newly arrived 1967 Carlton Competition. On his frame they have a triangular cutout on the socket for the down and the top tubes. Seat stay caps are semi-wraparound rather than the flat type we have on this frame.
https://m.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=1125270
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Our Jim is on to something como per normale!
Here is the lug set on 3alarmer's newly arrived 1967 Carlton Competition. On his frame they have a triangular cutout on the socket for the down and the top tubes. Seat stay caps are semi-wraparound rather than the flat type we have on this frame.
https://m.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=1125270
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Last edited by juvela; 10-17-17 at 05:09 PM. Reason: addition
11-01-17 | 10:16 AM
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Sorry I missed the updates, thanks for the help so far.
Definitely not Italian, as once I cleaned it off and stripped it down, it has Suntour dropouts and a British thread BB
Did Carlton ever use Japanese frame parts?
Definitely not Italian, as once I cleaned it off and stripped it down, it has Suntour dropouts and a British thread BB
Did Carlton ever use Japanese frame parts?
11-01-17 | 06:58 PM
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Look like Hayden birdsmouth or some such? Like used on the early Pro's. 
11-02-17 | 11:29 AM
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Thank you for this new information.
wrt the Maeda bits - do the collars an cuffs match?
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