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Old 03-20-18, 02:50 PM
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Wow, a Paramount with...

...turkey levers, stem shifters, and Weinmann brakes!

https://treasure.craigslist.org/bik/...531905817.html
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You forgot to mention the stamped dropouts and kickstand plate.
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Old 03-20-18, 02:53 PM
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C_List Beater.
Another valuable treasure with proven provenance.

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Indeed. Wow! And such a well written ad.
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Definitely the stamped dropouts and derailleur claw indicate that Paramount high quality of build.
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Originally Posted by 67tony View Post
...turkey levers, stem shifters, and Weinmann brakes!

https://treasure.craigslist.org/bik/...531905817.html
Fairly often, when I see a listing like this, I send them an email reply letting them know what it actually is, and more often than not I receive a "Thanks!" reply. Of course, I check back later, and only about half the time do they change the post.
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Is the pool included?
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The tires, they are tubeless.
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The tires, they are tubeless.
And they hold air!
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And they hold air!
But for how long.
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Originally Posted by 67tony View Post
...turkey levers, stem shifters, and Weinmann brakes!

https://treasure.craigslist.org/bik/...531905817.html
Many were sold equippedlike that. But I sure don't recall anything like that kickstand plate, and whatever they are, those aren't Nervex lugs.
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Old 03-20-18, 05:32 PM
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Release The Hounds!

Originally Posted by jj1091 View Post
Fairly often, when I see a listing like this, I send them an email reply letting them know what it actually is, and more often than not I receive a "Thanks!" reply. Of course, I check back later, and only about half the time do they change the post.
The seller does write: "Any input is appreciated."?

"Garage for a few years. Everything works. Tires hold air. Tubeless tire. No markings on the bike or decals. Was professionally painted at some point but did not add decals. Numbers on the bottom of sprocket housing. Bike appears to be 1980 plus or minus. Not a steel frame some type alloy. I'm not a bike expert. Researched as much as I could. Not sure of size of bike . Rims measure 24 and 1/2 in . Not sure of size of bike. Rims measure 24 and a half inches. 33 in to the top of crossbar . 450 or make reasonable offer....one person has questioned it being a paramount, thought it might be a continental. As far as I can tell it Continental does not have lug joints. Stem shifters were offered as an option on the Paramount around 1980. According to the previous owner it definitely is a Paramount. Numbers below the crank on the frame mean nothing as far as I can tell. Any input is appreciated."


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Sure looks a lot like my Le Tour.
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...aluminum in the 80s? Probably steel...
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It weighs north of 26 pounds, and even when tossed in the pool with fully inflated 35's, it sinks like a rock.

I haven't seen a kickstand plate like that since I flipped a Traveler about 7 years ago.
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A Paramount or a Continental?


Seller seems to be in denial about Schwinn having imported lugged steel bikes.


Price seems wildly optimistic!
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All jokes aside, someone here should write the seller and explain why this cannot possibly be a Paramount. It would be a bummer if someone bought it thinking it was. Of course I suppose anyone knowledgeable enough to know what a Paramount is would theoretically know it's something else.. right?
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5 speed cluster goes back to the 70s...
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That's a Le Tour or a Traveler, Japanese made.
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Originally Posted by exmechanic89 View Post
All jokes aside, someone here should write the seller and explain why this cannot possibly be a Paramount. It would be a bummer if someone bought it thinking it was. Of course I suppose anyone knowledgeable enough to know what a Paramount is would theoretically know it's something else.. right?
Done. But, note that I've only owned 1 Paramount, and generally know nothing about them. I sent the following email:


Thought I'd give some feedback, since you asked for input. The bike is definitely not a Paramount. It's a lower-end, low-grade steel frame. If you look at the rear dropouts (and also the front), you'll see that they're thin stamped steel. A Paramount would have thicker dropouts, forged steel, with a name branded on them. A Paramount, or any higher-end racing frame, would not have an integral welded-on kickstand plate, they never used kickstands. Never. Also, the numbers on the bottom-bracket shell (beneath the frame) DO mean something, and that format of serial numbers with all numerals, has never been used on any Paramount frame, they have a unique system guaranteed to allow you to tell what it is. There's other ways to tell, since Paramount frames have tubing material which is different from lower-end bikes, but it involves partial disassembly in order to look inside the tubes for tell-tale signs of the material type. Also, there's not any component on it that would have come on a Paramount, none.

I'm a vintage bike enthusiast, throwing in a bit of input for you. If you wanted, you could look at the replies generated in Bikeforums.net, on your bike with the below link. It's an international bike forum, with thousands of members, and they concur that it's not a Paramount. Mike J
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize View Post
Indeed. Wow! And such a well written ad.
Hey, come on, I mean he does say:
I'm not a bike expert. Researched as much as I could.
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Definitely not a Paramount, but stem shifters and turkey levers were an option on Paramounts in the '70s....
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