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Old 06-05-18, 02:35 PM
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Cinelli Super Corsa

Hi to everyone!

I would like to know your opinion about this Cinelli Super Corsa, re-painted without chrome parts, and with a mix of components: Akron stem, universal brakes , campagnolo shifters,campagnolo sr? headset, campagnolo gran sport rear derrailleur and crankset,campagnolo high-flange hubs,and 3ttt saddle,that is all i know.

Thank you very much in advance!

Regards from Spain.


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Old 06-05-18, 03:35 PM
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Same thing we think about all SC's, awesome, cool as heck, love em. Nice specimen you have there.
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Old 06-05-18, 03:37 PM
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OK, I'll be the guy to nitpick about the misaligned seat tube decal. Blame it on OCD.
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Old 06-05-18, 03:38 PM
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Plenty there to like.
Plenty to hold back the value, that cuts both ways.
I would strip the paint right off, I just don't like brown metallic and I even own one brown bike but it was such a good deal I could not pass.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Plenty there to like.
Plenty to hold back the value, that cuts both ways.
I would strip the paint right off, I just don't like brown metallic and I even own one brown bike but it was such a good deal I could not pass.
I would strip it too. But don't powder coat it. Get it the paint job it deserves in a Factory colour for the year of the bike.
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Old 06-05-18, 05:49 PM
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I can't see the detail well enough to know if it's even a Cinelli, much less a Super Corsa. Close-ups of the seat stays, head tube lugs, etc would be needed, or I simply missed what I was looking for.
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Old 06-05-18, 06:01 PM
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Looks like the right fork crown and I think I see the right seat cluster.
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Maybe it has the wider 73mm BB? It may be older than you think. I know the serial number database is a mess but maybe @juvela can shine some light? The headbadge appears to be brass so at least early 70's?
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Why is the Cinelli-badged stem stamped “made in Spain”? Cinelli didn’t make any stems in Spain, did they?
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Old 06-05-18, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
Why is the Cinelli-badged stem stamped “made in Spain”? Cinelli didn’t make any stems in Spain, did they?
I think that's a sticker.
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Old 06-06-18, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
Why is the Cinelli-badged stem stamped “made in Spain”? Cinelli didn’t make any stems in Spain, did they?
That's just a sticker, right?

Velobase says that an "Akront" made stems and other parts in Spain: VeloBase.com - View Brand
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
That's just a sticker, right?

Velobase says that an "Akront" made stems and other parts in Spain: VeloBase.com - View Brand
They were famous for motorcycle rims, I think they made some of the early strong, light ones.
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Leaving aside the somewhat odd melange of component and focusing solely on the frame, I see some tantalizing clues and have some questions.

In enlarging the photos, the head lugs appear to be the "wolf's ear" kind. Those were phased out c.1960. Close-up photos are needed to confirm this, as the absence of chrome on thos lugs makes it harder to see.

In enlarging the left side bottom bracket photo, it does not look like it has an oil port hole. That would be inconsistent with the wolf's ear lugs. Again, close-up photos needed. Also needed are photos of the underside of the bottom bracket to see if the drain port is there.

The fork crown looks about right, albeit without chrome.

The seat cluster looks more or less correct, but again, close-up photos are needed to confirm. And again, the absence of chrome makes it harder to tell from the photos provided.

So, color me somewhat confused. The head lugs say 1960 or earlier, the bottom bracket says 1965ish or later, the absence of chrome says it was most likely repainted, and the crooked rainbow stripe on the seat tube (good eye, @andy k) says the decals are most likely replacements, too.

I would also like to see a photo of the serial number on the bottom bracket, not because Cinelli serial numbers of that time are any help in dating the frame (they aren't), but because the format and placement of the serial number would help answer the "Cinelli, yes or no?" question. Similarly, I would like to know the seat post diameter - that is about as good a "rule of thumb" clue as there is.

My gut says it is a Cinelli Speciale Corsa that has non-original paint and non-original decals, but with the inconsistencies noted above, I could be convinced otherwise (a 26.8mm seat post would do it, for example).
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Originally Posted by clubman View Post
Maybe it has the wider 73mm BB? It may be older than you think. I know the serial number database is a mess but maybe @juvela can shine some light? The headbadge appears to be brass so at least early 70's?
Should be 70 or 74mm, mine is 74, oil port, drain, no wolfs ear, no chrome, supposed to be a 1960.

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Old 06-06-18, 03:24 AM
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This was itīs previous condition if it can helps, I donīt have more photos because i havenīt bought it yet, but itīs right, it has been repainted with new stickers. Iīm not a specialist on cinelli, but in my opinion i think itīs a supercorsa.










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Should 70 or 74mm, mine is 74, oil port, drain, no wolfs ear, no chrome, supposed to be a 1960.
Yup. 74, what you said.

Hey OP. You've got the original parts?
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Yup. 74, what you said.

Hey OP. You've got the original parts?
Not unfortunately, the seller sells it to me like the photos with white bar tape.
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Given unknown provenance, mixed restoration, and lack of chrome lugs, I'd say no more than EUR 1200.
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Given unknown provenance, mixed restoration, and lack of chrome lugs, I'd say no more than EUR 1200.
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Originally Posted by ogx View Post
This was itīs previous condition if it can helps, I donīt have more photos because i havenīt bought it yet, but itīs right, it has been repainted with new stickers. Iīm not a specialist on cinelli, but in my opinion i think itīs a supercorsa.

You could be right, but some specialists in Cinelli (not me!) are here and are trying to help you. It's not a problem that you aren't a Cinelli expert. If you can get more pictures, we could all tell you more

I think the original steel crank, bottom bracket parts, and pedals are significant clues. If the seller still has them, perhaps he can throw them in.

Another point: the headset on the rebuild is Record, not Super Record. The Record headset was the absolute best/smoothest one available (IMO) until the Super Record came out. The Super Record was absolutely not contemporary with that frame.

The key outward difference is that the Super Record was alloy, not chromed steel.

If the races of your Record are in good condition, it will last most of your lifetime if you overhaul it once a year or after a major rain ride. Same for all your other high end bearings on that bike. Very good quality materials and design, but usually not much attention was paid to gaskets or seals to keep water out. In some cased they had labyrinth seals to reduce water intrusion, but they don't do the whole job.

Overall, my guess is that it is a Cinelli and more likely to be a SC than a Model B or Riviera. Based on the cotter-pin crank, it might be from the 1950s or up to the mid-1960s. Steel cotter-pin cranks were used in serious professional racing into the '60s, because teams were worried that alloy cranks were too new and unproven. It is NOT a sign of a mid-range or low-range bike.

The stem could have been sourced through any of a number of channels for the rebuild. The original one looks to have an oval logo on the front of the handlebar clamp, which could have been an original Cinelli. If the bike was originally supplied with a Campagnolo rear derailleur, it was most likely a Gran Sport or a Record, not a Nuovo Record.
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Previous owner had it with this componentes, but i donīt know if they were the originals:








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Interesting, those could be early 60's components according to Velobase. So perhaps the frame was ordered and built with all Spanish equipment.
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Interesting, those could be early 60's components according to Velobase. So perhaps the frame was ordered and built with all Spanish equipment.
Maybe it is possible. How can i guess the year without the serial number of the bb?

Which groupset is the right one, campagnolo record?
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Too many question marks with this one. It was in a horrible state of disrepair and there is no documentation. Do you love it? If not, then pass on it and keep searching. It's just an old bike.
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Too many question marks with this one. It was in a horrible state of disrepair and there is no documentation. Do you love it? If not, then pass on it and keep searching. It's just an old bike.
Really i like it and the price is good,itīs a supercorsa on my size, and painting with a color that i like. The worst are no chrome lugs and the groupset, although this one can be solved well.
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