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Old 09-12-18, 06:01 PM
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RIP Super Record Front Derailleur...

I spent some time today with the Giro build figuring out what to do next...what bar tape to use...what tires to buy...what color housing to choose.

As I fiddled with the front derailleur and noticing some grime and dirt on it I started cleaning and removing the limit screws. That was until i heard something snap. The limit screw broke off with half the screw still inside.

Another bonehead move I took it apart but couldn't get a clear path use needle nose pliers to attempt extracting the screw.

Well now its 20 minutes later and the screw is out but the threads are stripped and im pretty sure ive committed ****cide. No longer does the derailleur have threads to hold new limit screws.

A question i have is if the front cage, bolts, screws and cage are of some value to others.

A moment of silence please........




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Yes, a handy person could chase the threads and replace the screw or drill out

Yes, a handy person could chase the threads and replace the screw or drill out and use a larger screw. The body is somewhat sacrificial because the cage and arms come off without drilling out rivets so thatís still useable. These bikes are simple, donít over complicate it. Need a good set of tools and well stocked hardware store near by or old school bike shop.
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It does seem like it does all come apart easily but getting the threads redone or chased seems a bit pricey.

I always find it easier to replace a broken part than attempt to fix.

Nearest vintage bike shop is pretty far off and pricey to begin with. I may just buy another.
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I fix things. That is what I do as it is fun. You may not like fixing stuff so buy a replacement. They are cheap to be had.
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FWIW, you're not the only person around here that occasionally learns by breaking. Trust me on this.
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Originally Posted by malcala622 View Post
I spent some time today with the Giro build figuring out what to do next...what bar tape to use...what tires to buy...what color housing to choose.

As I fiddled with the front derailleur and noticing some grime and dirt on it I started cleaning and removing the limit screws. That was until i heard something snap. The limit screw broke off with half the screw still inside.

Another bonehead move I took it apart but couldn't get a clear path use needle nose pliers to attempt extracting the screw.

Well now its 20 minutes later and the screw is out but the threads are stripped and im pretty sure ive committed ****cide. No longer does the derailleur have threads to hold new limit screws.

A question i have is if the front cage, bolts, screws and cage are of some value to others.

A moment of silence please........




Thank you.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Is it a clamp-on or braze-on fitting? I has sparez

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Originally Posted by Fahrenheit531 View Post
FWIW, you're not the only person around here that occasionally learns by breaking. Trust me on this.
Im completely comfortable posting on here when I break something and know very well im not alone. I knew when i tried extracting the broken piece of screw there was a chance of me breaking it even more
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Is it a clamp-on or braze-on fitting? I has sparez

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Clamp on but I'm not fixing the derailleur. Just picking another one up tomorrow.
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Is it really Super Record?

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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
Is it rally Super Record?
Nope

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Don't the SR FDs have TI bits on them? Thise could be worth something....
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FWIW, you're not the only person around here that occasionally learns by breaking. Trust me on this.
Glad to know that there are others. I still manage to create a boo boo or two, even after all these years. Should have seen the Shimano 600 cable adjusting screws I removed from my son's Empire Professional, the other day. Stripped both and then went to the small parts stash (if you don't have a small parts stash, start one - they seem to grow all by themselves, over the years, and prove to be incredibly useful) for replacements. Got lucky and the Pro is good to go...


Good advice accompanies this thought - always ensure that the threads are greased, more so when one is alloy and the other steel. Anyway, my boy's bike and it is not bad for a city junker, in my opinion...
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Originally Posted by Chombi1 View Post
Don't the SR FDs have TI bits on them? Thise could be worth something....
Nope.
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It's only aluminium

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Nope.
Use a lock nut and bolt of the same thread to set the hanger travel stop. If not enough space go for a different TPI thread or even imperial/Raleigh thread and cut a new thread in the Al body as you go to the sweet spot. It just means get the adjustment correct the first time you wrench it home.
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Originally Posted by Chombi1 View Post
Don't the SR FDs have TI bits on them? Thise could be worth something....
No, the only difference between the Record and Super Record front derailluers is that the arms of the Super Record were anodized black.

The Super Record rear derailleur does have titanium upper and lower pivot bolts and a slightly different pulley cage than the Nuovo Record.
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Use a lock nut and bolt of the same thread to set the hanger travel stop. If not enough space go for a different TPI thread or even imperial/Raleigh thread and cut a new thread in the Al body as you go to the sweet spot. It just means get the adjustment correct the first time you wrench it home.
Is that supposed to be a response to my post?
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
Is that supposed to be a response to my post?
Yes. You have a stripped M 3 mm thread in Aluminium. A 1/8 imperial bolt should track down tight. If not a imperial tap will. Failing that a nut on both sides of the stripped housing will secure a M3 bolt at the correct depth for correct chain positioning.
What have you got to lose.
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Originally Posted by Johno59 View Post
Yes. You have a stripped M 3 mm thread in Aluminium. A 1/8 imperial bolt should track down tight. If not a imperial tap will. Failing that a nut on both sides of the stripped housing will secure a M3 bolt at the correct depth for correct chain positioning.
What have you got to lose.
I have a stripped thread not grand bois
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It does seem like it does all come apart easily but getting the threads redone or chased seems a bit pricey.
You can buy a tap for less than $10. It's not that hard to redo the threads.
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Originally Posted by malcala622 View Post
Nope

Yes, that's SR.
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Originally Posted by malcala622 View Post
Nope

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No, the only difference between the Record and Super Record front derailluers is that the arms of the Super Record were anodized black.

The Super Record rear derailleur does have titanium upper and lower pivot bolts and a slightly different pulley cage than the Nuovo Record.

Pretty sure the SR adjusting screws are titanium.

Edit: Nope. Same steel part number, 774

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Originally Posted by Reynolds View Post
You can buy a tap for less than $10. It's not that hard to redo the threads.
Going thru all my options and suggestions its easiest to just get another derailleur. Its not just the threads that needs chasing but the opening has widened.
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Yes, that's SR.
Yes I'm well aware this is an SR FD
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Originally Posted by artclone View Post

Oh good.

Not sure why you said "nope" then.
I said NOPE because Grand Bois originally asked if this was the derailleur called the Campagnolo Rally
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Originally Posted by artclone View Post


Not sure why you have this rude attitude, but if you look now at Grand Bois' post you'll see what I saw, which explains what happened here.

Grand Bois must have corrected "rally" to "really" after you replied but before I read this thread.

In the future maybe assume people are being helpful, not stupid.
No rude attitude. Cant understand how you read my reply in that type of tone.

I didnt see his correction.
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