Why are new-old-stock Eddy Merckx steel frames downgraded ---- as frames to have any continuing value? [seems there are lesser Corsa Extra 711; not see them like in the past] As the actual name of the person/racer existed during the time of steel. Not at the time of carbon fiber. As I now found that there are carbon fiber frames of the Name. I assumed, the entire time, the Name would only exist during the time of metal; as tubing was of metal during the time of THE racer of Eddy Merckx.

Hits the nail on the head.

I been hearing the frames, vi the name -- has lost value; or is this just for steel?

What does "vi the name" mean?

what people have been telling you this?

Not saying frames have or haven't lost value because I dont understand what you are asking, but it would be interesting to hear what people have told you they lost value.

I will say most of these being the younger generation -- within the timeline of carbon fiber been saying this. I don't know what they ride.

I'm bored and the b10 game is decided at this point, so I'll take a stab and figuring out what this thread is about.

So you started this thread to ask why new old stock Merckx steel frames arent worth as much money now as they once were? And an entire generation has told you they are worth less now?

Did I interpret your questions correctly?

Correct: I was wanting to hear comments from others --- in how they value/think the value remains for classic, (real) steel Eddy Merckx frames. When the actual person was in existence. Vs the later-timed carbon fiber.

Last I heard, Eddy is alive and well.

As to be said, such that THE Eddy to be RACE in as much current day Carbon as at the DAY was best available. As such....

Making sense little this is.

I suspect the OP is noticing the general decline in the vintage bike market. This needs to be moved to C&V.

We concur. Thread moved to C&V.

A lot of steel Merckx bikes are popular, at least the 2nd generation ones. The 1st generation (Falcon) Merckx bikes don't get a lot of love.

However, only a few brands really are holding their own in the vintage market.

Colnago.
Merckx?
Sometimes Bianchi
Older Paramounts

Others can be a bit hit and miss. Merckx will likely slowly fade into history, while companies like Colnago will continue to sponsor racing teams and innovate on the cutting edge.

Did Merckx do aluminum frames? Carbon forks?

The start of this thread and a few of the subsequent posts made me laugh in the morning. I rarely laugh in the morning. Thanks everyone!

Thread probably ought to be restarted once the hangover wears off.

I think more than a few are still sought after including Tommasini, Pinarello, De Rosa, Bianchi, ... (atleast the high end models)

I think more than a few are still sought after and holding good value including Tommasini, Pinarello, De Rosa, Bianchi, ... (atleast the high end models)

It could be that the OP is in a foreign land with a different language. He/she is having trouble transferring the thoughts to English. Or the OP is watching the Star Wars movies in anticipation of the new one coming out and expressing the thoughts in Yodanese.

OP traces to USA

My point was that I believe what the manufacture is doing today has an impact on what the vintage bikes are worth from that brand.

Times change.The current market is for carbon-fibre. There is still a market for steel but it's a niche market. The only old frames with real value are old race frames with provenance or those built by master craftsmen. Eddy's commercial frames were manufactured by unknown builders. While they are good frames, it's just his name on the frame. There's nothing else to make them stand out from dozens of other brands. Most of his NOS steel frames that turn up are from the end of the steel era. They fall into a sort of limbo where they don't appeal to the current generation, yet aren't old or traditional enough for the C&V crowd. IMO, the market for these is extremely limited. If a shop wants some cash flow on their original investment, they have to discount them.

I found an authentic red/green/white Corsa Extra --- having the b.b. serial# digits stamped in their straightline, digital way. As the serial# being on the second line, all alone.