Visser Cycles Tourmalet bicycle
03-12-20 | 07:23 AM
#26
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From: Alta California
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Lightrace products produced by Etablissements Gourgaud et Cie of Saint Etienne.
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Seat binder appears it may be a hardware store item. Perhaps a replacement...
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Seat stay tops appear to be crimped rather than done with plugs as earlier suggested.
Styria (Puch/Steyr) did something similar on many of their cycles. Their version comes to somewhat of a point at the top, at least in some cases:
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The term "steerer" refers to what is sometimes called the "fork tube" in english. A shim is present between the steerer and the stem. When you remove the stem you may discover it to be either 22.0mm or .833 rather than the 22.2mm size of the steerer.
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Would expect rear spacing of frame to be 120mm, if unaltered.
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Since dropouts Agrati it is likely fork ends are as well. Agrati frame ends can be either marked and unmarked. Would expect cycle's dropouts to be of the type which are 3D on their outer face and flat on the inner face. Fork ends may be Agrati item Nr. 000.8010. Would expect them to have a single eyelet threaded 5.0mmX .8.
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Wheel rims appear to be NISI brand; perhaps the TORO model. Would guess they are unferruled.
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There appears to be a marking on the cycle's saddle pillar. Be it perchance a Titan?
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Lightrace products produced by Etablissements Gourgaud et Cie of Saint Etienne.
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Seat binder appears it may be a hardware store item. Perhaps a replacement...
---
Seat stay tops appear to be crimped rather than done with plugs as earlier suggested.
Styria (Puch/Steyr) did something similar on many of their cycles. Their version comes to somewhat of a point at the top, at least in some cases:
---
The term "steerer" refers to what is sometimes called the "fork tube" in english. A shim is present between the steerer and the stem. When you remove the stem you may discover it to be either 22.0mm or .833 rather than the 22.2mm size of the steerer.
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Would expect rear spacing of frame to be 120mm, if unaltered.
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Since dropouts Agrati it is likely fork ends are as well. Agrati frame ends can be either marked and unmarked. Would expect cycle's dropouts to be of the type which are 3D on their outer face and flat on the inner face. Fork ends may be Agrati item Nr. 000.8010. Would expect them to have a single eyelet threaded 5.0mmX .8.
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Wheel rims appear to be NISI brand; perhaps the TORO model. Would guess they are unferruled.
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There appears to be a marking on the cycle's saddle pillar. Be it perchance a Titan?
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Last edited by juvela; 03-12-20 at 02:28 PM. Reason: addition
03-12-20 | 10:21 AM
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From: Rotterdam, The Netherlands
The seatpost looks indeed like Titan to me!
Btw, very cool bike, Locomotief! Congrats with the find! I am gonna follow the thread with interest.
Btw, very cool bike, Locomotief! Congrats with the find! I am gonna follow the thread with interest.
03-12-20 | 10:44 AM
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From: Alta California
03-12-20 | 01:02 PM
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03-12-20 | 04:43 PM
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The seatpost looks indeed like Titan to me!
Btw, very cool bike, Locomotief! Congrats with the find! I am gonna follow the thread with interest.
Btw, very cool bike, Locomotief! Congrats with the find! I am gonna follow the thread with interest.
03-12-20 | 04:46 PM
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03-13-20 | 03:50 AM
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Lightrace products produced by Etablissements Gourgaud et Cie of Saint Etienne.
An other French connection.
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Seat binder appears it may be a hardware store item. Perhaps a replacement...
indeed a hardware store item.
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Seat stay tops appear to be crimped rather than done with plugs as earlier suggested.
Styria (Puch/Steyr) did something similar on many of their cycles. Their version comes to somewhat of a point at the top, at least in some cases:
That does look that way. An other german connection. That would fit with the Rabeneick fork.
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The term "steerer" refers to what is sometimes called the "fork tube" in english. A shim is present between the steerer and the stem. When you remove the stem you may discover it to be either 22.0mm or .833 rather than the 22.2mm size of the steerer.
I'm not planning to take it apart. But my curiosity about the bikes history might be strong enough to take it apart if there is no answer from what we see in the pictures.
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Would expect rear spacing of frame to be 120mm, if unaltered.
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Since dropouts Agrati it is likely fork ends are as well. Agrati frame ends can be either marked and unmarked. Would expect cycle's dropouts to be of the type which are 3D on their outer face and flat on the inner face. Fork ends may be Agrati item Nr. 000.8010. Would expect them to have a single eyelet threaded 5.0mmX .8.
there all marked with the agrati name. Flat on the inside and 3d on the outside. They don't look threaded. But I would have to remove the mud guard to be sure.
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Wheel rims appear to be NISI brand; perhaps the TORO model. Would guess they are unferruled.
unferruled?
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There appears to be a marking on the cycle's saddle pillar. Be it perchance a Titan?
yes!..
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An other French connection.
---
Seat binder appears it may be a hardware store item. Perhaps a replacement...
indeed a hardware store item.
---
Seat stay tops appear to be crimped rather than done with plugs as earlier suggested.
Styria (Puch/Steyr) did something similar on many of their cycles. Their version comes to somewhat of a point at the top, at least in some cases:
That does look that way. An other german connection. That would fit with the Rabeneick fork.
---
The term "steerer" refers to what is sometimes called the "fork tube" in english. A shim is present between the steerer and the stem. When you remove the stem you may discover it to be either 22.0mm or .833 rather than the 22.2mm size of the steerer.
I'm not planning to take it apart. But my curiosity about the bikes history might be strong enough to take it apart if there is no answer from what we see in the pictures.
---
Would expect rear spacing of frame to be 120mm, if unaltered.
---
Since dropouts Agrati it is likely fork ends are as well. Agrati frame ends can be either marked and unmarked. Would expect cycle's dropouts to be of the type which are 3D on their outer face and flat on the inner face. Fork ends may be Agrati item Nr. 000.8010. Would expect them to have a single eyelet threaded 5.0mmX .8.
there all marked with the agrati name. Flat on the inside and 3d on the outside. They don't look threaded. But I would have to remove the mud guard to be sure.
---
Wheel rims appear to be NISI brand; perhaps the TORO model. Would guess they are unferruled.
unferruled?
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There appears to be a marking on the cycle's saddle pillar. Be it perchance a Titan?
yes!..
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03-13-20 | 04:17 AM
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Parts:
Mud guards: bluemel's lightweight England
Rims: nici Toro?
Tires: wolber renforce tubular
Stem: pivo
Shifters: huret
Front derailleur: shimano 600
Rear derailleur: suntour v
Crank: sugino
cassette: atom
Hubs: campagnolo
Seat post: titan
Brakes: mafac rural forge
Brake calibers: weinmann
Frame
Lugs: nervex (france)
Dropouts: agrati (italy)
Front fork: Rabeneick (germany)
Components and frame parts are from all over the place. Germany, Netherlands, Italy, France, England, Japan.
I'm still curious about the origin off the frame. am I right to assume that it's a fifties frame?
Mud guards: bluemel's lightweight England
Rims: nici Toro?
Tires: wolber renforce tubular
Stem: pivo
Shifters: huret
Front derailleur: shimano 600
Rear derailleur: suntour v
Crank: sugino
cassette: atom
Hubs: campagnolo
Seat post: titan
Brakes: mafac rural forge
Brake calibers: weinmann
Frame
Lugs: nervex (france)
Dropouts: agrati (italy)
Front fork: Rabeneick (germany)
Components and frame parts are from all over the place. Germany, Netherlands, Italy, France, England, Japan.
I'm still curious about the origin off the frame. am I right to assume that it's a fifties frame?
