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Old 06-08-20, 08:26 PM
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Bottom bracket problem.

I was having quite a bit of play on the axle of my 85 Sequoia and I thought I had actually broken it. I refurbished it a few weeks ago cleaned relubed and put new bearings in.
Well I took it apart and the axle ,cups and cones looked good so I put it back together.There is a fine line in tightening it that I can't seem to achieve
If I tighten it to where there is no play in the axle the axle is quite stiff to turn by hand. If I loosen it up a bit to where it turns a little bit easier I have
a small amount of play in the axle.. I refurbished all 4 of my other vintage bikes and had no trouble adjusting the tightness and none of them have any play
at all in the axle.
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loose balls or retainers?

one possibility might be a faulty ball

as an experiment you could repack with all new balls, making sure you have eleven per side, and see if there is a difference...

another thing you could do is to face the shell

with symptoms of this sort i like to do the easy straightforward stuff first. if that resolves it you are done. if it does not then one needs to vector deeper...


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No chance that you have a bearing cage backward is there?
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Originally Posted by 52telecaster
No chance that you have a bearing cage backward is there?
I'll have to double check I put the cage in so the open end faces the cup but I think there are different cages that go in differently. Maybe I'll try putting in the bearings without the cages.
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Also check the cups closely a crack in one of the cups can cause the described issues.
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Originally Posted by robertj298
I'll have to double check I put the cage in so the open end faces the cup but I think there are different cages that go in differently. Maybe I'll try putting in the bearings without the cages.
I encountered this Campagnolo BB that orients the caged bearings opposite that typical arrangement. Frustrating, then a delight when the bearings were correctly installed.

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Check the threads and seat on the right side too. If the right side is not seated correctly, you'll never get it adjusted correctly.
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Problem finally fixed. I took the bearings out of the cages and put them in loose and it worked like a charm.
Was very easy to adjust and no axle play.
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Literally the first time that I took apart a hub (age six, while fixing a flat by myself for the first time, and with curiosity getting the better of me), I reinstalled the cages backwards.
That's my oldest memory of making a mechanical mistake. I've since taken apart many an old bike having the same assembly error.

The symptom was just as the OP described, and which I attributed to faulty parts at the time.

Years later, preparing the same bike for sale to a neighbor (repainting fully-stripped frame), I discovered my error. I had readjusted the bearings a few times over the years, and by this time the bearing cages were, shall I say, "well worn"!

Here's me on that hard-ridden old bike, the front hub no doubt still grinding, but not too long before I sold it:
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Originally Posted by robertj298
Problem finally fixed. I took the bearings out of the cages and put them in loose and it worked like a charm.
Was very easy to adjust and no axle play.
Congratulations!

Did you add another bearing?
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Originally Posted by Dfrost
Congratulations!

Did you add another bearing?
No I really didn't see enough room to add another bearing
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Originally Posted by Dfrost
Did you add another bearing?
His borrom bracket retainers already use 11, not 9, as shown in his other started thread.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
His borrom bracket retainers already use 11, not 9, as shown in his other started thread.
You mean this thread?The ones that came out have 11 1/4 in bearings in them. Are you a smart ass on anyone else's posts or just mine?
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Originally Posted by robertj298
You mean this thread?
No, this one you started a day later where you show a photo of the retainer:

Caged bottom bracket bearing direction.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
No, this one you started a day later where you show a photo of the retainer:

Caged bottom bracket bearing direction.
I count 11 not 9.
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