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Old 08-03-20, 08:41 AM
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Cloth tape / bar end help

Hi all,

I'm installing cloth tape on my bike with a velox style plug and Iím wondering if I need to tuck the cloth into the bar end? Doesnít fit that way it seems.

here are some photos but keep in mind itís just a test fit - I havenít cut and angles or wrapped it too tight.

Brake cables are not in yet but from what I can tell that shouldnít matter with this style.





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Old 08-03-20, 10:03 AM
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I tuck the end in
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I donít, I just start wrapping at the end and the overlap and adhesive is plenty to keep it in place.

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Old 08-03-20, 10:32 AM
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Iíve always found the biggest benefit of cloth to be that you can wrap from the top down, then you donít need tape or twine at the top. And yeah then tuck on at the bottom.
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Yes, start at the top, and tuck in at the bar ends. No tape, no worries.

Marinoni, eh?
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Traditionally, the end is tucked in. However, if you are starting from the bottom, it isn't really necessary. In the days when cotton tape was king, most people taped starting from the top, and tucking in the loose end at the bottom was normal.

If you want to tuck the end in, wrap really hard stretching the tape. This should make it sort of bend in. Cut off excess. Leave maybe 1/4"-3/8" past the end of the bar. Push it in with your finger. Force in the Velox plug. OK to use a mallet. OK to use a little water for lube. Screw it down to hold it.

Occasionally you'll run into a bar that is slightly undersized and/or thicker walled, and a standard velox plug will never fit without sanding or whittling it down a little.
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Old 08-03-20, 10:59 AM
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Hmmm I did see that starting at the top is possible but I wasnít too sure about it. I just completed one side and actually found it to be pretty nerve racking. It took weeks for me to get the stuff. It is OK - maybe the second side will be improved. Pausing for a beer break.

itís an 82/83 Marinoni (commissioned in 82 - delivered in 83) for a racer.



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Originally Posted by Salamandrine View Post
Traditionally, the end is tucked in. However, if you are starting from the bottom, it isn't really necessary. In the days when cotton tape was king, most people taped starting from the top, and tucking in the loose end at the bottom was normal.
Yeah, back in the day, we started at the top, so you could just hide the tape end in the bar end and be done with it, but Iíve been in the habit of taping from the bottom lately. Actually, the twine thing is kinda fun and less sticky in summer heat than electrical tape.

This go around, I taped from the bottom to the brake hood and stopped on the outside of the hood, cut the tape and then started from there, right next to it under the outside of the hood, going under and then wrapping the ramp and top in the same way as if I had gone around the hood on the inside.

Hope that makes sense. Somehow that seems easier with cloth tape than going around the inside, like I would with cork tape. Cloth tape handles differently.

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Not bad for a first try! Top down will definitely be easier and cleaner looking. Also, unless itís a period thing, you can get good cloth tape from newbaums in that color and wonít have to wait weeks!

This is the tutorial I used to learn it, itís very good (as are all of his videos):


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I would have gone with newbaums but I believe the stock was out and maybe shipping to Canada was an issue.

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Hello, I take the opportunity to ask in addition to the cotton or fabric tape ... do you put something else on top? Here in Argentina, old cyclists apply two-layer shellac (goma laca).
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Originally Posted by kidadam View Post
I would have gone with newbaums but I believe the stock was out and maybe shipping to Canada was an issue.

Ah. Well, looks good either way! And riding typically smooths out any rough spots. Going to use yellow cables?

That room is cool.
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Nice job. Bottom up is the way to go so you donít unravel the tape as your hands press down. And I think tressostar is Plenty long enough and nicer on my ungloved hands
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This is the classic and vintage forum, right ? Why not wrap the vintage way, top down !
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Originally Posted by Petit Breton View Post
Hello, I take the opportunity to ask in addition to the cotton or fabric tape ... do you put something else on top? Here in Argentina, old cyclists apply two-layer shellac (goma laca).
This is my favorite way to finish off cotton tape. Most of my bikes are finished off with shellac. I find that I can get many seasons out of the same bar tape. When it starts looking worn and dirty, it's easy to clean with a bit of alchol, then add another coat of shellac. The finish is nearly indestructable as the shellac "glues" the tape together.
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Originally Posted by polymorphself View Post
Ah. Well, looks good either way! And riding typically smooths out any rough spots. Going to use yellow cables?

That room is cool.
Not completely sure but I think black cables - It should work well with the ends and tires. It had yellow cables and pretty awful yellow tires.

Both colour schemes are online to compare on vintage colnagos.
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Those are my favorite end plugs and yes tuck in, it is worth the effort. Start at the top and wrap so that your grip “tightens” the wrap. With a lighter color I would shellac to try and keep clean.
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OP,
It may have already been said, but I would start at the top and wrap down...that way I do not need any tape at the top of the bar.
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If the plug is a tight fit a rubber mallet comes in handy. Top down with adhesive tape is a no-brainer, never had it unravel gripping the bars. Prefer a clean look at the top of the bars.
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Old 08-04-20, 05:04 AM
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OP,
It may have already been said, but I would start at the top and wrap down...that way I do not need any tape at the top of the bar.
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I donít think the adhesive on velo-orange is good for that to be honest. Itís a single small stripe in the middle of the cloth.
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I started from top down tucking it in. I had watched rj the bike guys video just before.





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It is challening the first, second, third.... multiple times! BITD I always wrapped top down. Advice above all good. One approach I use is to make the overlaps even is at the bends make the overlap the same as the flat at the flat part of the bend. In other words, overlap the same at the bends on the outside.. Transitions are fun too. Then on the top, last radius, overlap evenly in the top of the bar bend. This cause the tape to overlap a lot on the inside and less on the outside but look OK all around.
I never know how long the tape is and therefore guess the angle of the wrap and the overlap. If it is short or too long, start over.
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It now occurs to me that you could tape the tops starting from the top and tape the drops starting from the bar end and leave the ends of both sections snugly taped to the outside of the brake lever and tucked under the hood, much as I did, but using the bar lever as the destination for both parts of the wrap.

That way you have the clean look of starting from the top and the simplicity of starting from the bottom without having to tuck inside the bar end or having to use tape or twine to secure the top.

Probably not traditional enough for some, but I think itís another good option.

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I am surprised to see the number of "wrap tops to ends" posts here; it may indeed be vintage, when Eddy's mechanics put a fresh wrap of pristine white tape on his bike each morning (taking longevity of the wrap out of the equation). That's what I did when I first had a "Disraeli gears" bike, but over the years realized that hand grasp lifted the edges of the tape wraps, so with further investigation I've developed a confirmed opinion is that it's better to go "ends to tops", starting on the underside at the bar's open end; and wrapping clockwise on the right bar (looking from the rear, the wrap direction being that your fingers follow when grasping the drop while riding) -- IOW, inside to outside over the top, and then changing direction at the lever (by wrapping a half turn around the outside of lever housing there) to change the wrap rotation to "outside to inside over the top". Repeat for left bar, symmetrically of course.

For bars that are wide (44 or 46 cm), I sometimes run out of tape such as Velox. 3 rolls can do the trick, though, with splicing at the brake hoods (as suggested by the Rivendell video linked-to below). Also, a double wrap at the tops, where I do most of my grasping, is an idea I would like to try (suggested, I think, by rhm ). I also put a strip of tape from one side of the brake hood around the bar and up the other side, as shown in the Riv video, to eliminate gapping there. I'm in favor of the twine finish at the center barrel, done pretty much in the fashion of Rivendell (also linked-to below).

Some of this "revisionist" handlebar wrap lore:

St. Sheldon, as interpreted by John Allen: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/handlebar-tape.html with an inconclusive (perhaps rendering it unnecessary) commentary at https://www.sheldonbrown.com/handlebar-tape.html#nerdy
I believe that the upshot of Sheldon's method, unfortunately obscured by John Allen's supposed improvements, is what I've described above. Allen's description "Sheldon generally started from the underside of the bar with the tape feeding outwards." is (to me) murky because he doesn't clarify whether "outwards" is "from the bottom" or "over the top". I believe it's the latter.

Park Tool (bottom up, with variations): https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair...tion-drop-bars

BF "mechanics" thread from a decade ago; opinions vary, but it seems to me the preponderance support the description above: Wrapping Handlebars - Which direction?

Rivendell video instructional: Wrapping Handlebars - Which direction?
Note that they start "outside to inside over the top" at the end of the drop, unlike the description above, and unaccountably cut the tape at the brake housing (while appearing to keep the wrap rotation WRT the tube the same). That accomplishes what's good for the tops of the bars, but means that when using the drops (which I seldom do) your grasp will tend to loosen or unwind the wrap, rather than tightening it, relative to the tape coming from the brake lever.
And finally, the twine finish: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bze...Y5MzBmMDJkMjU2 Now that's vintage!

None of this is critical, of course, compared to having something tractile on your bars, and as always, YMMV.

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Yeah, the insistence that ďtop down is correctĒ on this forum always cracks me up. I always wrap bottom up, works perfectly for me.

Looks great by the way.
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