The Component Everyone Hates (Except You)
#76
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Bikes: Raleigh Super Course, Raleigh International, Raleigh Gran Sport
Huret Success rear derailleur. Super light, robust, easily handles a 28 tooth sprocket, shifts better than the sought-after Jubilee and looks good until you lose/break that funky plastic insert.
#77
aka Tom Reingold




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Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem
I feel mixed about them, and ultimately, my view is shallow. I remove them because they're ugly. But they are useful. Sure, we can argue that all you have to do is maintain your bike properly and you won't need your spoke protector. But like the "other" driver, you can't control your entire environment, and you can't do any job perfectly. So we really should use spoke protectors. But I don't use them, so I'm full of hot air.
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“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
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#78
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From: British Columbia, Canada
Bikes: 1970's Piasentin Super Vitus 971, 1979 Carlton Professional, 2005 Trek 5000, 2011 Niner EMD, 2018 Argon 18 XRoad, 1990 Diamondback Master TG Centurion
Sugino Autex Self-Extracting Crank Bolts
I know some people here on BF don't like the Sugino Autex system as they believe that it's difficult to tighten them to an adequate torque spec, but I'd much rather break out a long-levered 6mm hex wrench than faff around with a crank bolt extractor and wrench.
https://www.velosolo.co.uk/suginoext.html


Sugino Autex Self-Extracting Crank Bolt and Sugino Might Tour Compact Crankset
https://www.velosolo.co.uk/suginoext.html


Sugino Autex Self-Extracting Crank Bolt and Sugino Might Tour Compact Crankset
#79
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From: SF Bay Area
Bikes: Raleigh Super Course, Raleigh International, Raleigh Gran Sport
I feel mixed about them, and ultimately, my view is shallow. I remove them because they're ugly. But they are useful. Sure, we can argue that all you have to do is maintain your bike properly and you won't need your spoke protector. But like the "other" driver, you can't control your entire environment, and you can't do any job perfectly. So we really should use spoke protectors. But I don't use them, so I'm full of hot air.
#80
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From: Helena, Montana
Bikes: 2014 Soma Saga, 1990 Klein Piinnacle, 1971 Schwinn Speedster, 2008 Kona Jake
Square taper triple cranks
Square taper triple cranks. Still have some nice higher-end Shimano 1980s examples. Beautiful but a dying breed.
#81
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From: Medford MA
Bikes: Ron Cooper touring, 1959 Jack Taylor 650b ladyback touring tandem, Vitus 979, Joe Bell painted Claud Butler Dalesman, Colin Laing curved tube tandem, heavily-Dilberted 1982 Trek 6xx, René Herse tandem
I know some people here on BF don't like the Sugino Autex system as they believe that it's difficult to tighten them to an adequate torque spec, but I'd much rather break out a long-levered 6mm hex wrench than faff around with a crank bolt extractor and wrench.
https://www.velosolo.co.uk/suginoext.html
Sugino Autex Self-Extracting Crank Bolt and Sugino Might Tour Compact Crankset
https://www.velosolo.co.uk/suginoext.html
Sugino Autex Self-Extracting Crank Bolt and Sugino Might Tour Compact Crankset
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Owner & co-founder, Cycles René Hubris. Unfortunately attaching questionable braze-ons to perfectly good frames since about 2015. With style.
Owner & co-founder, Cycles René Hubris. Unfortunately attaching questionable braze-ons to perfectly good frames since about 2015. With style.
#82
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Bikes: MBK Super Mirage 1991, CAAD10, Yuba Mundo Lux, and a Cannondale Criterium Single Speed
Now with thru-axles, the tech is pretty much coming full circle to the extent that some pros who are riding thru axles bring an allen key in their jersey pocket to have their wheel out before the support car shows up.
#83
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From: Medford MA
Bikes: Ron Cooper touring, 1959 Jack Taylor 650b ladyback touring tandem, Vitus 979, Joe Bell painted Claud Butler Dalesman, Colin Laing curved tube tandem, heavily-Dilberted 1982 Trek 6xx, René Herse tandem
Where do you even get such a thing? I was idly looking for a source a while back, but didn't find anything I liked the looks of. The problem is, most attach to the axle, when to my mind they should attach to the rack eyelets on the dropout. I think a few older Trek MTBs came with bash guards that attach to the eyelets. I even tried welding one up from stainless tube, but I made it too flimsy and it didn't do much guarding.
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Owner & co-founder, Cycles René Hubris. Unfortunately attaching questionable braze-ons to perfectly good frames since about 2015. With style.
Owner & co-founder, Cycles René Hubris. Unfortunately attaching questionable braze-ons to perfectly good frames since about 2015. With style.
#84
Steel hubs. Like nutted axles, they are not as elegant as aluminum hubs, but for a utility bike, they get the job done. One negative with them is that I have never seen a steel hub built as a freehub. I do prefer freehubs over freewheels but as long the hub with a freewheel isn't over 6 cogs, things are good even with heavier loads.
#85
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From: North, Ga.
Bikes: 3Rensho-Aerodynamics, Bernard Hinault Look - 1986 tour winner, Guerciotti, Various Klein's & Panasonic's
Benatto Cello Tape. I seem to be the only person who likes it. It's on every sigle road bike I own new or old. I love the way it looks and have never had a reason to stop using it.
#86
I didn't reply because I assume someone else would already say it, but I guess maybe I truly am the only one who doesn't hate the product.
Helicomatic hubs. I guess I'm not big enough to bend the axles. I can appreciate the removal tool which also serves as other tools including the ever-coveted beer-popper, I don't find them any worse to repack than others, and i don't find they wear out any faster than anything else either.
I think they generally get a bad rap. But that's just my 2¢. Could the dust caps be better? Sure. Could they have better supported the axle for heavier people? Sure. Always worked fine for me though.
Helicomatic hubs. I guess I'm not big enough to bend the axles. I can appreciate the removal tool which also serves as other tools including the ever-coveted beer-popper, I don't find them any worse to repack than others, and i don't find they wear out any faster than anything else either.
I think they generally get a bad rap. But that's just my 2¢. Could the dust caps be better? Sure. Could they have better supported the axle for heavier people? Sure. Always worked fine for me though.
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#87
I didn't reply because I assume someone else would already say it, but I guess maybe I truly am the only one who doesn't hate the product.
Helicomatic hubs. I guess I'm not big enough to bend the axles. I can appreciate the removal tool which also serves as other tools including the ever-coveted beer-popper, I don't find them any worse to repack than others, and i don't find they wear out any faster than anything else either.
I think they generally get a bad rap. But that's just my 2¢. Could the dust caps be better? Sure. Could they have better supported the axle for heavier people? Sure. Always worked fine for me though.
Helicomatic hubs. I guess I'm not big enough to bend the axles. I can appreciate the removal tool which also serves as other tools including the ever-coveted beer-popper, I don't find them any worse to repack than others, and i don't find they wear out any faster than anything else either.
I think they generally get a bad rap. But that's just my 2¢. Could the dust caps be better? Sure. Could they have better supported the axle for heavier people? Sure. Always worked fine for me though.
#88
I don't think Helicomatic hubs are known for bent axles. In fact, they might have been the first hubs generally available on the market that placed the bearings near the end of the axle on the drive side. They do have a reputation for wearing more quickly than hubs with 1/4" bearing balls, though.
Never really experienced unusual lifespan, but that may also have a lot to do with which bikes I choose to ride for what purpose.
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#89
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From: State of Jefferson
Bikes: Ciöcc, Bianchi, DeRosa, Eddy Merckx, Frejus, Hampsten, Kondor, Losa, Magni, Pegoretti, Pelizzoli, Pogliaghi, Scapin
It's hard to believe that I'm the first person to mention Delta brakes. I know that a lot of people like them but even more complain about them....and many of those have never even used them. If they're set up right they work as well as anything out there IMO.
#90
That outboard bearing design is the main reason that you almost never see a cassette hub with a bent axle.
#91
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From: Berkeley, CA
Bikes: 72 Cilo Pacer, 72 Gitane GT, 72 Peugeot PX10, 73 Speedwell Ti,l, 75 Peugeot PR-10L, 80 Colnago Super, 81 Zinn, 85 ALAN Cross, 85 De Rosa Pro, 86 Look 753, 86 Look KG86, 89 Parkpre Team, 90 Parkpre Team MTB, 90 Merlin
Tubulars - Of course not everyone hates them, but there's still plenty of hate out there. I enjoy the whole process and arcane art of tubular maintenance, plus the availability of sealants has made tubular usage much easier.
#92
What's your estimate of how many Helicomatic hubs you've bought with bent axles? More than two or three? I sold Gitanes and Treks with Helicomatic hubs back in the day, and I can't recall ever seeing one with a bent axle. That was in the 1980s, though, before larger people started riding bikes in significant numbers.
That outboard bearing design is the main reason that you almost never see a cassette hub with a bent axle.
That outboard bearing design is the main reason that you almost never see a cassette hub with a bent axle.
There has to be some reason for it. I just assumed it was because of lack of concrete support in the middle. Maybe due to bearings that far outboard, an over-tight QR and enough weight on top will eventually cause warp?
I dunno why it happens, just sharing my experience. Love the product, but
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#93
I'd guesstimate 1 in 5 axles for Helicomatics I've repacked are at least slightly warped, enough you can roll them across a flat service or even take a flat edge to it and clearly see a slight bend. This is something I check on everything when repacking wheelsets. I've repacked a crapload of wheels in my lifetime and I don't recall seeing this more than 1 in 10 with regular hollow-axle style hubs, so to see double that is remarkable to be a coincidence.
There has to be some reason for it. I just assumed it was because of lack of concrete support in the middle. Maybe due to bearings that far outboard, an over-tight QR and enough weight on top will eventually cause warp?
I dunno why it happens, just sharing my experience. Love the product, but
There has to be some reason for it. I just assumed it was because of lack of concrete support in the middle. Maybe due to bearings that far outboard, an over-tight QR and enough weight on top will eventually cause warp?
I dunno why it happens, just sharing my experience. Love the product, but
#94
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Bikes: Current: 2016 Bianchi Volpe; 1973 Peugeot UO-8. Past: 1974 Fuji S-10-S with custom black Imron paint by Stinsman Racing of PA.
A relic of the past - Tire Savers or Flint-catchers
For me it is tire savers or flint-catchers. They are now a relic of the past, except for Rene Herse that sells a new version. Contrary to some, they DO work and are all of 15g in weight. I used them 40 years ago, and when I found them 4 years ago, started again.


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#95
aka Tom Reingold




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From: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem
I also love Benotto tape. I worked in a bike shop when it became all the rage, and we all loved it. I know some people find it slimy, but I don't. Maybe it's the amount of sweat I produce or the tenacity with which I grip the bars. But it works fine, and I like how it looks. We would burn the end with a match after wrapping so it melded with the previous layer, so it stuck without needing another tape to end it.
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“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
#96
I also love Benotto tape. I worked in a bike shop when it became all the rage, and we all loved it. I know some people find it slimy, but I don't. Maybe it's the amount of sweat I produce or the tenacity with which I grip the bars. But it works fine, and I like how it looks. We would burn the end with a match after wrapping so it melded with the previous layer, so it stuck without needing another tape to end it.
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'75 Fuji S-10S bought new, 52k+ miles and still going!
'84 Univega Gran Tourismo
'84 Univega Viva Sport
'86 Miyata 710
'90 Schwinn Woodlands
Unknown brand MTB of questionable lineage aka 'Mutt Trail Bike'
Plus or minus a few others from time-to-time
'75 Fuji S-10S bought new, 52k+ miles and still going!
'84 Univega Gran Tourismo
'84 Univega Viva Sport
'86 Miyata 710
'90 Schwinn Woodlands
Unknown brand MTB of questionable lineage aka 'Mutt Trail Bike'
Plus or minus a few others from time-to-time
#97
As for the component - well, maybe better described as an accessory, is the Pletscher rear rack! Again, my Fuji is STILL equipped with the Pletscher rack from the '70s.

I'm using the same stay mount/support from Bike Warehouse, too!!!

Oh, and @Bill in VA, did I mention the TireSavers????
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I'm using the same stay mount/support from Bike Warehouse, too!!!

Oh, and @Bill in VA, did I mention the TireSavers????

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'75 Fuji S-10S bought new, 52k+ miles and still going!
'84 Univega Gran Tourismo
'84 Univega Viva Sport
'86 Miyata 710
'90 Schwinn Woodlands
Unknown brand MTB of questionable lineage aka 'Mutt Trail Bike'
Plus or minus a few others from time-to-time
'75 Fuji S-10S bought new, 52k+ miles and still going!
'84 Univega Gran Tourismo
'84 Univega Viva Sport
'86 Miyata 710
'90 Schwinn Woodlands
Unknown brand MTB of questionable lineage aka 'Mutt Trail Bike'
Plus or minus a few others from time-to-time
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#98
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Sekine SHS 271
#99
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'75 Fuji S-10S bought new, 52k+ miles and still going!
'84 Univega Gran Tourismo
'84 Univega Viva Sport
'86 Miyata 710
'90 Schwinn Woodlands
Unknown brand MTB of questionable lineage aka 'Mutt Trail Bike'
Plus or minus a few others from time-to-time
'75 Fuji S-10S bought new, 52k+ miles and still going!
'84 Univega Gran Tourismo
'84 Univega Viva Sport
'86 Miyata 710
'90 Schwinn Woodlands
Unknown brand MTB of questionable lineage aka 'Mutt Trail Bike'
Plus or minus a few others from time-to-time
#100
Common for who, though? Large Marge? I'm 160 lbs and have broken only one in the last dozen years. And that was on my 5-speed grocery getter. All the other bikes are 6- and 7-speeds and get ridden hard on narrow tires.








