Help for identify frame
#1
Help for identify frame
Please help me indetify this bike/frame.
Derraileurs:
Front: Sachs huret
Rear: Shimano exage 500ex
Levers: Sachs New success
Brakes:
Levers: Shimano 600 aero
Calippers: Weinmman (not sure which model)
Crankset: Sakae
Stem and Bars: 3ttt
Dropouts: Gipiemme
Rims: Weinmann 414 Alloy
Hubs: Maillard made in France
Serial number: 57 2(something) 10 or
57 2(something) IO
PS. there are two holes for headbadge which is missing.
Thanks a lot!!!






Derraileurs:
Front: Sachs huret
Rear: Shimano exage 500ex
Levers: Sachs New success
Brakes:
Levers: Shimano 600 aero
Calippers: Weinmman (not sure which model)
Crankset: Sakae
Stem and Bars: 3ttt
Dropouts: Gipiemme
Rims: Weinmann 414 Alloy
Hubs: Maillard made in France
Serial number: 57 2(something) 10 or
57 2(something) IO
PS. there are two holes for headbadge which is missing.
Thanks a lot!!!






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you have given readers a good deal of information about the bicycle but have not as yet given rudimentary information such as tubing diameters and threading for headset and bottom bracket
if cycle were italian, as suggested above, shell width would be 70mm
it appears to date from the 1978-80 time
frame looks to be a midliner production model
two possible national origins with what we know thus far include BE and CH
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Last edited by juvela; 03-31-21 at 09:51 AM. Reason: addition
#6
Agree on all the above. Seat post diameter and whatever thread pitch is showing on the drive side fixed (or non-fixed maybe) cup would be very helpful.
Badge holes could be possible match to Bottecchia as well. Could be helpful to know also the metric spacing between the badge holes. Not sure the stay treatment fits though.
Badge holes could be possible match to Bottecchia as well. Could be helpful to know also the metric spacing between the badge holes. Not sure the stay treatment fits though.
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Update:
seat post diameter: 27mm
Head set diameter: 22.2mm
shell width: 62mm
Outer head badge diameter: 20mm
I do not have crank removing tool, so i took a couple of pics. I hope that you can figure out something from them.






seat post diameter: 27mm
Head set diameter: 22.2mm
shell width: 62mm
Outer head badge diameter: 20mm
I do not have crank removing tool, so i took a couple of pics. I hope that you can figure out something from them.






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[MENTION=521825]Numenor[/MENTION] - Thanks for the update. When measuring holes, the dimension of interest is center to center. In this case just measure from the "bottom" of one hole to the "bottom" of the other. Hole diameter might be of some interest.
Other with more knowledge will likely follow up.
Other with more knowledge will likely follow up.
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The frame appears to be a late 1970's Motobecane Grand Touring... At first glance Its the fork that gives it away. All the other components simply don't match any specific bicycle. Could be the frame was switched out or scavenged, then identifications ground off, then painted basic white. Yep... Pretty sure the frame is Motobecane. That makes it a "FRANKENBECANE".
Still... Looks like a nice ride!
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Last edited by zandoval; 03-31-21 at 05:02 PM.
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On a first look, it looks like Motobecane Grand Touring, BUT again, holes for head badge testify against that claim. Also shifter levers hanger (i do not know it's real name) is not as on model sugested above.
Gipiemme drops, and place of serial number too...
It looks more like Sprinteur or Grand Sprint model, but again, fork crown is different...
Gipiemme drops, and place of serial number too...
It looks more like Sprinteur or Grand Sprint model, but again, fork crown is different...
Last edited by Numenor; 04-01-21 at 01:10 AM.
#12
Is that a crack in where the bottom head tube lug meets the downtube? Looks like a bit of a ripple also, as if maybe it's been in a front-end collision?
I don't think it's a Motobecane, I don't recall ever seeing one w/Gipiemme dropouts at this level.
I get the impression you may be in Europe, can you give us an idea where? It may help nail down a more-localized name, in case maybe it's tied to a specific shop or something.
I don't think it's a Motobecane, I don't recall ever seeing one w/Gipiemme dropouts at this level.
I get the impression you may be in Europe, can you give us an idea where? It may help nail down a more-localized name, in case maybe it's tied to a specific shop or something.
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the cycle's Y.S.T. headset is a Formosan product
it is model HP-661
looked it up as marque a new one to me

for comparison here is the Tange MA-60 -

Is this a decent headset? (NOS 1" threaded YST unit..)
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the cycle's Y.S.T. headset is a Formosan product
it is model HP-661
looked it up as marque a new one to me

for comparison here is the Tange MA-60 -

Is this a decent headset? (NOS 1" threaded YST unit..)
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I am from Serbia (central Balkan), but that does not mean anything, cause we often buy bikes frome Austria, Swiss, Germany... so i am afraid that can not help us here..
I am from Serbia (central Balkan), but that does not mean anything, cause we often buy bikes frome Austria, Swiss, Germany... so i am afraid that can not help us here..
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Last night i thought that finaly i figure out which bike this is. Batavus Criterium (1980) caught my atention, but unfortunately cable housing for rear derailleur are downside, and not above as it is case with this Batavus model...
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juvela
Sorry for wrong information!
shell width is actualy 70mm,
So does that mean that frame is definitely Italian origin?
Sorry for wrong information!
shell width is actualy 70mm,
So does that mean that frame is definitely Italian origin?
I stand by my thoughts. Both names I mentioned (Bottecchia, Bianchi) are Italian. But there were so many small shops producing one-off (contracted) builds we could look forever.
"Jebiga" may apply here.
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juvela
Sorry for wrong information!
shell width is actualy 70mm,
So does that mean that frame is definitely Italian origin?
Sorry for wrong information!
shell width is actualy 70mm,
So does that mean that frame is definitely Italian origin?
thank you for this update
this fits right in with a payes pas origin, albeit one in BE rather than NL
Flandria built with 70mm bottom bracket shells of BSC thread
you may wish to explore some Flandria badged cycles in your searches
suggest to check models which are one or two down from the top and within the 1977-80 time frame
this would also increase the likelihood of Ishiwata 022 tubing
NB - this firm did a great deal of contract work so the bicycle may be of their construction but otherwise labelled...
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Last edited by juvela; 04-02-21 at 12:17 PM. Reason: addition
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came across this example which bears some strong correspondences to your cycle although it is not an exact match
features such as fork crown, braze-ons, seat stay treatment, bridges and ends line up fairly well
the dropouts are GIPIEMME long without eyelets, an exact match
tubing in this case is Reynolds
kitting of this machine is Shimano 600
owner has not determined a specific date for the bicycle





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came across this example which bears some strong correspondences to your cycle although it is not an exact match
features such as fork crown, braze-ons, seat stay treatment, bridges and ends line up fairly well
the dropouts are GIPIEMME long without eyelets, an exact match
tubing in this case is Reynolds
kitting of this machine is Shimano 600
owner has not determined a specific date for the bicycle





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Looks like a crack in the lower lug itself. First thing I noticed in pic #2
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Yup, the very first word that forigners learn from Serbian language! It can be used in every possible situation 😂
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