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Old 06-25-21, 12:07 PM
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Shogun 600

Anyone know anything about this bike? Frame too big for me but getting it for the groupset.
https://toledo.craigslist.org/bik/d/...341881161.html
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Old 06-25-21, 12:23 PM
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Don’t know about the bike, but I did think about it as I am local and it is my size.
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Old 06-25-21, 12:26 PM
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Donít know about the bike, but I did think about it as I am local and it is my size.
uhoh!
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I had an '80s black one with S600. It rocked.
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Old 06-25-21, 12:43 PM
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Not buying it

Originally Posted by viperocco View Post
uhoh!
Im not interested in buying it, as I have too many now. I purchased a group of 3 last weekend that I didnít need. The 600 group set on the Shogun did look interesting though.
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Old 06-25-21, 12:47 PM
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Im not interested in buying it, as I have too many now. I purchased a group of 3 last weekend that I didnít need. The 600 group set on the Shogun did look interesting though.
I couldn't help but notice that you have some older bikes in your collection.. are you rolling on 27x1 1/4" (assuming that is what they came with) wheels on them or have you moved to some other size?
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All of my older bikes wore stock wheels and came to me with 700s except my Schwinn, and the old 3 speed. My Frejus was converted long before I got it to 700s. 27x1 1/4s on the old Schwinn for decades running cheap Kendas. I did recently put better 27” tires on that one. The recent bikes I just got are on 27s, and even had newish Kendas on 2 of them. i will leave them stock for now.

it would be fairly costly to change to 700s, so I will leave as is. I kinda lean towards originality in a hardheaded kind of way. I will say though that the 27x1 1/4 Paselas I put on the old Super Sport really changed the ride nicely. With at least those good tires (depending on your perspective) available, I would be very happy with 27s. I have Panaracers on several of my other bikes too. So don’t rule out 27s before trying tires.

I did get a truing stand for Christmas and will be switching out a hub on the used Peugeot I just got, but will be leaving it on 27s.
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Originally Posted by sd5782 View Post
All of my older bikes wore stock wheels and came to me with 700s except my Schwinn, and the old 3 speed. My Frejus was converted long before I got it to 700s. 27x1 1/4s on the old Schwinn for decades running cheap Kendas. I did recently put better 27Ē tires on that one. The recent bikes I just got are on 27s, and even had newish Kendas on 2 of them. i will leave them stock for now.

it would be fairly costly to change to 700s, so I will leave as is. I kinda lean towards originality in a hardheaded kind of way. I will say though that the 27x1 1/4 Paselas I put on the old Super Sport really changed the ride nicely. With at least those good tires (depending on your perspective) available, I would be very happy with 27s. I have Panaracers on several of my other bikes too. So donít rule out 27s before trying tires.

I did get a truing stand for Christmas and will be switching out a hub on the used Peugeot I just got, but will be leaving it on 27s.
Interesting. I have been on the look out for an inexpensive 700c wheelset to replace the set of Rigida's that came with my Peugeot, whose rear wheel has a flat spot, hence my interest in the Shogun. With new replacement from Wheelmasters close to 70 bucks, I figured I might as well get an entire bike. If the wheels are decent, can do a direct swap and throw the new rubbers on 'em. I don't mind the Kendas as I am a very casual rider and seem to be fine for my needs. I did check out the Paselas you mentioned and they do look really good.
Good luck on the wheel rebuild, my next repair tool will likely be a truing stand. I have seen people make them out of wood so not sure what direction I am going to go with that.
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Originally Posted by viperocco View Post
Anyone know anything about this bike? Frame too big for me but getting it for the groupset.
https://toledo.craigslist.org/bik/d/...341881161.html
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I am sort of surprised by the sale...they know the decent value of a golden arrow group? Maybe a way to keep it intact sentimentally?
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Old 06-25-21, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc View Post
I am sort of surprised by the sale...they know the decent value of a golden arrow group? Maybe a way to keep it intact sentimentally?
The gentleman I spoke with had other bikes in his collection and sounded like he knew some stuff.
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Old 06-25-21, 05:17 PM
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Picked up the bike which, in person, looks about the same size as my Peugeot and Miyata. Will do some side by side comparisons tomorrow and post pics. Definitely the nicest equipped bike in my collection.
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc View Post
I am sort of surprised by the sale...they know the decent value of a golden arrow group? Maybe a way to keep it intact sentimentally?
I believe Golden Arrow was considered a notch below the arabesque 600 of the time, and eventually evolved into the "105" group. Odd, since it seems like it was, if anything, made better than arabesque stuff. Even partial groups seem to command a pretty penny on the 'bay
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^^^^^ IIRC, Golden Arrow is just the "nickname" for that generation of 105, just as Arabesque is the nickname for that generation of 600EX. I don't think the name was officially adopted by Shimano.
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^^^^^ IIRC, Golden Arrow is just the "nickname" for that generation of 105, just as Arabesque is the nickname for that generation of 600EX. I don't think the name was officially adopted by Shimano.
Ah..
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Originally Posted by madpogue View Post
^^^^^ IIRC, Golden Arrow is just the "nickname" for that generation of 105, just as Arabesque is the nickname for that generation of 600EX. I don't think the name was officially adopted by Shimano.
It is... its very cool stuff in its own right, though cranksets are harder to find. Wheels/hubs too...

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Golden Arrow is the nickname for 1st generation Shimano 105, which was manufactured for the 1983-1986 model years. I've always considered the bow and arrow motif to be homage to Shimano's early parallelogram Archery derailleur, which also used colour accents. While gold was the dominant colour for the motif, there were others. I've seen blue, black and white, the latter on a later version with a dark gray parallelogram arm. First generation 105 was Shimano's 3rd component group and was considered lower mid-range.

I've got specs for 1983-1985 Shogun 600. The only year with 105 is 1984, though there is a small possibility that they reverted to it for 1986. The serial number should allow us to confirm the model year. For 1983-1985, the components were progressively downgraded, in what appears to have been an attempt to to maintain the target price level, which was just under $300.
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.... The serial number should allow us to confirm the model year.....
Here it is M4A06231, thanks
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Some pics in album

https://www.bikeforums.net/g/album/21765173
The bike rolls and shifts smoothly, went through all the gears without issue. The groupset appears to be complete, hubs are Shimano but don't know if they 105/golden arrow specific. While rideable, the frame is too big and puts the family jewels at risk. Other than that seems like a nice ride.
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Here it is M4A06231, thanks
As I suspected, it is a 1984 model. The frame was manufactured in 1984 by Miki of Japan, a known contractor to Marui, who owned the Shogun Brand.
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As I suspected, it is a 1984 model. The frame was manufactured in 1984 by Miki of Japan, a known contractor to Marui, who owned the Shogun Brand.
cool, thanks for the info
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That would be a local to Toledo bike as that shop on the sticker is still around. I lived near there years ago but have another closer shop. Nice looking bike and should be a fun cleanup.
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