Are chains getting shorter?
#1
Are chains getting shorter?
I just replaced the chain on a 3x6 drivetrain bike with largest chainring 52 and largest cog 30. It seems to me that the last time I did that for this bike (about 10 years ago...but I don't use this bike all that often), the new chain fit with several links to spare. To my surprise, the KMC 8-speed chain I bought this time fit, but exactly, with no links to spare. Am I hallucinating, or are they short-chaining us?
#2
Senior Member

Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 2,937
Likes: 1,799
From: Long Island, NY
Bikes: Trek 800 x 2, Schwinn Heavy Duti, Schwinn Traveler, Schwinn Le Tour Luxe, Schwinn Continental, Cannondale M400 and Lambert, Schwinn Super Sport
Somehow, I remember 114 links being the standard length replacement chain. I did a quick look up of a Shimano chain and they had 116 links. I may not know as much as I thought I knew.
#3
Senior Member

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 23,212
Likes: 3,122
My recollection is that most chains for derailleur equipped bicycles were 114 or 116 links when I started in the industry, in the early 1970s. That was still the standard when I bought my last lot of chains, about a decade ago. Of course, there was some variation, depending on the application. 1/2 x 1/8" chains for single speed and 3 speed IGH bicycles, were slightly shorter, typically 112 links. I recall some dedicated BMX chains being as short as 100 links.
#4
#5
feros ferio

Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 22,398
Likes: 1,865
From: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
Ask me again after I do a chain replacement on the mountain bike this weekend. I seem to recall needing 3 additional links the last time I re-chained it, which caught me completely by surprise.
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
#6
Senior Member


Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 12,565
Likes: 2,739
From: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada - burrrrr!
Bikes: 1958 Rabeneick 120D, 1968 Legnano Gran Premio, 196? Torpado Professional, 2000 Marinoni Piuma
Not so long ago, I bought a boxed SRAM chain for one of my bikes. To be honest, I can't remember if it was for my Rabineick or my Torpado. Regardless, that boxed chain (by boxed, I mean sold in a box with a connecting link) was two links to short for the bike. Is it possible that older steeds needed longer chains that today's offerings?
__________________
"98% of the bikes I buy are projects".
"98% of the bikes I buy are projects".
#7
Senior Member




Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 21,777
Likes: 5,688
From: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones
I know I needed to add links when I built my Trek 720. That bike has a triple and 18 inch stays though. It seemed weird to me at the time that I had to add links.
#8
Me duelen las nalgas

Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 13,519
Likes: 2,832
From: Texas
Bikes: Centurion Ironman, Trek 5900, Univega Via Carisma, Globe Carmel
What's the bike's wheelbase? I have a Globe hybrid with a long wheelcase (I think it was originally intended as a cargo ebike, but Globe discontinued that program in the mid-2000s) that requires splicing two chains together to make up the four to six links needed.
The KMC Z72 chains I usually bought for my other hybrid with a somewhat long-ish wheelbase usually fit with only one or two links removed. On my road bikes I'd need to cut about four links.
I just checked my stash of new chains, mostly 5-7 speed, 8-speed and a couple of 9-speed. The KMC and Shimano are 116 links; the SRAM, 114 links.
The KMC Z72 chains I usually bought for my other hybrid with a somewhat long-ish wheelbase usually fit with only one or two links removed. On my road bikes I'd need to cut about four links.
I just checked my stash of new chains, mostly 5-7 speed, 8-speed and a couple of 9-speed. The KMC and Shimano are 116 links; the SRAM, 114 links.
#9
Senior Member


Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,132
Likes: 1,522
From: Medford MA
Bikes: Ron Cooper touring, 1959 Jack Taylor 650b ladyback touring tandem, Vitus 979, Joe Bell painted Claud Butler Dalesman, Colin Laing curved tube tandem, heavily-Dilberted 1982 Trek 6xx, René Herse tandem
Yes, chains are getting shorter...
__________________
Owner & co-founder, Cycles René Hubris. Unfortunately attaching questionable braze-ons to perfectly good frames since about 2015. With style.
Owner & co-founder, Cycles René Hubris. Unfortunately attaching questionable braze-ons to perfectly good frames since about 2015. With style.
#10
Junior Member

Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 78
Likes: 9
A few years ago I decided to put my Trek 412 back to original, I had upgraded it to all Suntour Cyclone back in the day but saved all the original parts in a box. The chain however was original. The original freewheel was a 14-30 Suntour 888. I had been running a 14-28 with a Cyclone GT rear derailleur. I don't remember ever having to cut the original chain, but when I put it back to original with the original 14-30 freewheel, the chain was too short. I dug up a new old stock chain, and still had to cut 5 links of another new chain to get it to work with the 14-30 freewheel and original VXGT rear derailleur. Luckily I had several new old stock original chains that I squirreled away back when the bike was new. If I remember right, the original chain, as removed from the bike then was 117 links and the new chain came out of the box with only 114 links. I needed 119.
#11
Hmm. It's quite possible that I'm simply not remembering the last chain change correctly. It's an '84 Peugeot P-series sport tourer with relatively, but not extremely, relaxed geometry.
#12
Senior Member


Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 2,129
Likes: 247
From: Midwest
Bikes: See the signature....
Like Miguel, the "standard length" SRAM chain I bought was too short. Bought a second to harvest links from. Then I had all the extras I needed for a while.
I've typically had that problem on all the long chainstay rides I've built.
I've typically had that problem on all the long chainstay rides I've built.
__________________
My bikes: '81 Trek 957, '83 Trek 720, '84 Trek 770, '85 Centurion Cinelli
My bikes: '81 Trek 957, '83 Trek 720, '84 Trek 770, '85 Centurion Cinelli





