Racer or Tourer?
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One bike I'll probably pick up just because its so cheap is an old Dawes Galaxy. Just for fun and tinkering with. The bike pictured has the vestiges of chrome fenders which have been "bobbed" to next to nothing. Most of the vintage Dawes Galaxies I find in google searching have full fenders. Would this bike have come new with full fenders? If so, it would be nice to restored full fenders to this bike since it's pretty heavy anyway.


The crankset is a cottered potential headache possibly but decent clearance for bigger tires.
Looks to be a Brooks saddle, and you could modernize in pieces if you wanted. Personally I dislike Simplex plastiderailleurs, but others like them. Something like a SunTour VxGT for the rear, Vx for the front and some down tube or barcon shifters would be fun and allow you to get a wider range for hills and such.
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I'll state another vote for a sports touring bike as a superb compromise between a racing bike and a full out touring bike. Older (1950s) racing frames were pretty similar to sports touring frames, because of the cobblestone and gravel roads that were still common in Europe.
This one as 72 degree parallel seat and head tube angles and a long wheelbase, with plain gauge Reynolds 531 main tubes.

This one as 72 degree parallel seat and head tube angles and a long wheelbase, with plain gauge Reynolds 531 main tubes.

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I was going to tell you I have a Technium Raleigh Grand Prix if you wanted it but that is a cool bike to restore (The Dawes).
The crankset is a cottered potential headache possibly but decent clearance for bigger tires.
Looks to be a Brooks saddle, and you could modernize in pieces if you wanted. Personally I dislike Simplex plastiderailleurs, but others like them. Something like a SunTour VxGT for the rear, Vx for the front and some down tube or barcon shifters would be fun and allow you to get a wider range for hills and such.
The crankset is a cottered potential headache possibly but decent clearance for bigger tires.
Looks to be a Brooks saddle, and you could modernize in pieces if you wanted. Personally I dislike Simplex plastiderailleurs, but others like them. Something like a SunTour VxGT for the rear, Vx for the front and some down tube or barcon shifters would be fun and allow you to get a wider range for hills and such.
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here are my two best options now that I have a size idea
shogun $150 eylets and all size seems right
https://providence.craigslist.org/bi...441430782.html
Cilo $350 size should work, but close this is just a super nice bike, no eyelets, but i have worked around that for a rear rack with not to much problems (use the triangle hole in the rear drop out
https://providence.craigslist.org/bi...446062924.html
Clio - Handmade Swiss Columbus frame (Steel) , 53cm top tube and 53cm seat tube, Chrome fork, Full Shimano 600 groupset (which is 1980s Ultegra) , handlebars and stem 3ttt made in Italy, saddle WTB Speed V, Mavic MA3 rims and New Vittoria RANDONNEUR Tires 700x25c. Weight 20 lbs with pedals
shogun $150 eylets and all size seems right
https://providence.craigslist.org/bi...441430782.html
Cilo $350 size should work, but close this is just a super nice bike, no eyelets, but i have worked around that for a rear rack with not to much problems (use the triangle hole in the rear drop out
https://providence.craigslist.org/bi...446062924.html
Clio - Handmade Swiss Columbus frame (Steel) , 53cm top tube and 53cm seat tube, Chrome fork, Full Shimano 600 groupset (which is 1980s Ultegra) , handlebars and stem 3ttt made in Italy, saddle WTB Speed V, Mavic MA3 rims and New Vittoria RANDONNEUR Tires 700x25c. Weight 20 lbs with pedals
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Back in the day someone describe them as “platypuses” in that they weren’t good road bikes and they weren’t particularly good at carrying loads. The most frightening downhill I’ve ever done was on a loaded Univega Vivasport on a 5 mile 7% grade in the Colorado Rockies.
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Back in the day someone describe them as “platypuses” in that they weren’t good road bikes and they weren’t particularly good at carrying loads. The most frightening downhill I’ve ever done was on a loaded Univega Vivasport on a 5 mile 7% grade in the Colorado Rockies.
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Oh and if you sold it, we can help you find another cool old sports touring bike to fix up . . . .
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here are my two best options now that I have a size idea
shogun $150 eylets and all size seems right
https://providence.craigslist.org/bi...441430782.html
Cilo $350 size should work, but close this is just a super nice bike, no eyelets, but i have worked around that for a rear rack with not to much problems (use the triangle hole in the rear drop out
https://providence.craigslist.org/bi...446062924.html
Clio - Handmade Swiss Columbus frame (Steel) , 53cm top tube and 53cm seat tube, Chrome fork, Full Shimano 600 groupset (which is 1980s Ultegra) , handlebars and stem 3ttt made in Italy, saddle WTB Speed V, Mavic MA3 rims and New Vittoria RANDONNEUR Tires 700x25c. Weight 20 lbs with pedals
shogun $150 eylets and all size seems right
https://providence.craigslist.org/bi...441430782.html
Cilo $350 size should work, but close this is just a super nice bike, no eyelets, but i have worked around that for a rear rack with not to much problems (use the triangle hole in the rear drop out
https://providence.craigslist.org/bi...446062924.html
Clio - Handmade Swiss Columbus frame (Steel) , 53cm top tube and 53cm seat tube, Chrome fork, Full Shimano 600 groupset (which is 1980s Ultegra) , handlebars and stem 3ttt made in Italy, saddle WTB Speed V, Mavic MA3 rims and New Vittoria RANDONNEUR Tires 700x25c. Weight 20 lbs with pedals
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A lot will depend on the person and the environment. I've been riding "Road Bikes" for nearly 50 years, and am not going to change any time soon (although I do have a variety of bikes now).
I haven't raced since I aged out of being a "Midget" though. I have thought about TT's or perhaps a race on a local auto race track, but need to get myself faster.
I'm down a bit on miles at the moment, but it will come back. A typical shopping/commute ride would be about 30 to 40 miles. And my longest commute was about 200 miles.
Not real fast, but keep plodding along.
I posted the old, and well worn Colnago Super earlier (Post #8).
The C40 crosses the line between Classic and Modern, but it is sweet to ride!!!

I met a neighbor that had had about a half mile hill climb at about 10% up to his house. Maybe 75 years old. He had a very nice carbon fiber bike, and mighty low gearing on his bike, but would do the ride up the hill.
Anyway, as I get older, I can imagine wanting a lighter and lighter bike.
I haven't raced since I aged out of being a "Midget" though. I have thought about TT's or perhaps a race on a local auto race track, but need to get myself faster.
I'm down a bit on miles at the moment, but it will come back. A typical shopping/commute ride would be about 30 to 40 miles. And my longest commute was about 200 miles.
Not real fast, but keep plodding along.
I posted the old, and well worn Colnago Super earlier (Post #8).
The C40 crosses the line between Classic and Modern, but it is sweet to ride!!!
I met a neighbor that had had about a half mile hill climb at about 10% up to his house. Maybe 75 years old. He had a very nice carbon fiber bike, and mighty low gearing on his bike, but would do the ride up the hill.
Anyway, as I get older, I can imagine wanting a lighter and lighter bike.
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One bike I'll probably pick up just because its so cheap is an old Dawes Galaxy. Just for fun and tinkering with. The bike pictured has the vestiges of chrome fenders which have been "bobbed" to next to nothing. Most of the vintage Dawes Galaxies I find in google searching have full fenders. Would this bike have come new with full fenders? If so, it would be nice to restored full fenders to this bike since it's pretty heavy anyway.


The fenders may have been made that way. I heard a story some years ago that the short fenders were due to a law somewhere about bikes ridden on public roads had to have fenders. I don't remember if it was for the competitors in a road race, or if it was for racing style bikes sold to the public. The short fenders met the letter of the law, with the least added weight. They were common for a while on sporty bikes in the 1970s.
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here you go for a project, frame and fork and build, learn scrounge from there 1983 Miyata 912 frame/fork
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It is a Brooks, which makes it worth the asking price just for the saddle. LOL I've seen these with bar end shifters as well. I would modernize what needs to be fixed,and add some full fenders (those "bobbed" ones appear in period sales photos BTW). Whoe sells the correct fender for a bike like this. It would be 26 x ?? width?
And echoing those above, you can get lighter cranksets and more maintenance free bottom brackets for reasonably cheap (there’s a Campy that for some reason is cheap...like $10).
As far as the Simplex, as some have said, the rear derailleur is interesting but the front derailleur can be a “treat” as can those shifters.
Older SunTour would look at home with your build and are surprisingly not expensive...yet.
The fenders are better answered by someone else.
You can also get a decent non-safety lever as well...in fact most of us on here have a bundle of them in some parts drawer somewhere.
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Shorty fenders were a thing.
Shorty Fenders
The nicer options for fenders are VO & Honjo
https://velo-orange.com/collections/fenders
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/cat...s-mudguard-949
Unless of course you came upon a set of vintage Bluemels.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185268760...s&toolid=10049
Shorty Fenders
The nicer options for fenders are VO & Honjo
https://velo-orange.com/collections/fenders
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/cat...s-mudguard-949
Unless of course you came upon a set of vintage Bluemels.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185268760...s&toolid=10049
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Oh and if you sold it, we can help you find another cool old sports touring bike to fix up . . . .
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
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