Contract built Rossin?
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Contract built Rossin?
Picked up this Rossin this weekend. Nice bike, but without any of the details normally seen on Rossins, like lug windows, pantoing, R cutouts or even chrome.
I have or had several bikes - Tommasini, Viner, and Pinarello which have been identified as sub-contracted frames and was wondering if anybody had info on this for Rossin.
I'm guessing a date of either late 80's or leading to the Rossin sale in 92.
Description:
Serial number 243 58 (58 c-t so that's Italian!)
No ridges in the tubing but does seem to be double butted, No tube decal. It looks like SIX ridges at the bottom of the fork stem.
Campy dropouts front and rear
27.2 Gipiemme seatpost (wonder if it''s the only original component)
Italian thread BB
126, 7 speed spread
Most components are 1991 105, except for the older DA RD
Specialized BB, headset and stem.
Anybody have a handle on this?





I have or had several bikes - Tommasini, Viner, and Pinarello which have been identified as sub-contracted frames and was wondering if anybody had info on this for Rossin.
I'm guessing a date of either late 80's or leading to the Rossin sale in 92.
Description:
Serial number 243 58 (58 c-t so that's Italian!)
No ridges in the tubing but does seem to be double butted, No tube decal. It looks like SIX ridges at the bottom of the fork stem.
Campy dropouts front and rear
27.2 Gipiemme seatpost (wonder if it''s the only original component)
Italian thread BB
126, 7 speed spread
Most components are 1991 105, except for the older DA RD
Specialized BB, headset and stem.
Anybody have a handle on this?





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It looks to me like a very nice not Rossin bike.
Others smarter than me will chime in though.
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1987 Crest C'dale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin EL, 1990 Van Tuyl, 1985 Trek 670, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Isoard, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981 Faggin, 1996 C'dale M500, 1984 Mercian Pro, 1982 AD SuperLeicht, 1985 Massi ?, 1988 Daccordi Griffe , 1989 Fauxsin MTB, 1981 Ciocc Mockba, 1992 Bianchi Giro, 1977 Colnago Super, 1971 Raleigh Internat'l, 1998 Corratec U+D, 1991 Peugeot Slimestone, 1987 Bianchi Volpe, 1995 Trek 750
Last edited by jdawginsc; 05-26-22 at 09:16 AM.
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don't know why but "contour-cutting the decal film" sounds like something to check and confirm if Rossin typically did that.
Cause it's hand-work that somebody (like me) would do with aftermarket decals I bought but did a factory operation like Rossin do it or have their decal-supplier do it to the decals they ordered?
And are you certain there are 6 ridges in the steerer and not 5, and do they spiral?
Cause 6 usually means something other than typical Columbus (SL, SLX, SP, SPX, TSX, etc.) steerers.
I believe common knowledge has it that: Ishiwata has five straight ridges; Tange has six helical ridges, Columbus has five helical ridges.
But that may not be 100% conclusive
Cause it's hand-work that somebody (like me) would do with aftermarket decals I bought but did a factory operation like Rossin do it or have their decal-supplier do it to the decals they ordered?
And are you certain there are 6 ridges in the steerer and not 5, and do they spiral?
Cause 6 usually means something other than typical Columbus (SL, SLX, SP, SPX, TSX, etc.) steerers.
I believe common knowledge has it that: Ishiwata has five straight ridges; Tange has six helical ridges, Columbus has five helical ridges.
But that may not be 100% conclusive
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I'll check the details on my 1982, especially the BB work, brake bridge, seat cluster.
It may be the paint, but the work on that seat cluster looks nice and precise.
There were a couple of builders who apprenticed under Rossin.
That's all I know, but I'll check.
Not very much like my 1989, but there are a lot of Rossins.
Thanks to jonny7 for the FB group heads up.
It may be the paint, but the work on that seat cluster looks nice and precise.
There were a couple of builders who apprenticed under Rossin.
That's all I know, but I'll check.
Not very much like my 1989, but there are a lot of Rossins.
Thanks to jonny7 for the FB group heads up.
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Pulled out the fork, but you probably heard me when the the uncaged bearings went everywhere.
And, a waste of time since there was no marking on the steering tube.
But I did spend more time with the Bulgier '88 catalog, and realized that the Cromor model had no chrome on the frame and the fork in the catalog has the same triangle window as mine.
It was even offered with a 105 group.
Maybe not the same year, but close! Searching for more photos of Cromor Rossins.
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/rossin-88/5.jpg
And, a waste of time since there was no marking on the steering tube.
But I did spend more time with the Bulgier '88 catalog, and realized that the Cromor model had no chrome on the frame and the fork in the catalog has the same triangle window as mine.
It was even offered with a 105 group.
Maybe not the same year, but close! Searching for more photos of Cromor Rossins.
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/rossin-88/5.jpg
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Pulled out the fork, but you probably heard me when the the uncaged bearings went everywhere.
And, a waste of time since there was no marking on the steering tube.
But I did spend more time with the Bulgier '88 catalog, and realized that the Cromor model had no chrome on the frame and the fork in the catalog has the same triangle window as mine.
It was even offered with a 105 group.
Maybe not the same year, but close! Searching for more photos of Cromor Rossins.
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/rossin-88/5.jpg
And, a waste of time since there was no marking on the steering tube.
But I did spend more time with the Bulgier '88 catalog, and realized that the Cromor model had no chrome on the frame and the fork in the catalog has the same triangle window as mine.
It was even offered with a 105 group.
Maybe not the same year, but close! Searching for more photos of Cromor Rossins.
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/rossin-88/5.jpg
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1987 Crest C'dale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin EL, 1990 Van Tuyl, 1985 Trek 670, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Isoard, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981 Faggin, 1996 C'dale M500, 1984 Mercian Pro, 1982 AD SuperLeicht, 1985 Massi ?, 1988 Daccordi Griffe , 1989 Fauxsin MTB, 1981 Ciocc Mockba, 1992 Bianchi Giro, 1977 Colnago Super, 1971 Raleigh Internat'l, 1998 Corratec U+D, 1991 Peugeot Slimestone, 1987 Bianchi Volpe, 1995 Trek 750
1987 Crest C'dale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin EL, 1990 Van Tuyl, 1985 Trek 670, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Isoard, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981 Faggin, 1996 C'dale M500, 1984 Mercian Pro, 1982 AD SuperLeicht, 1985 Massi ?, 1988 Daccordi Griffe , 1989 Fauxsin MTB, 1981 Ciocc Mockba, 1992 Bianchi Giro, 1977 Colnago Super, 1971 Raleigh Internat'l, 1998 Corratec U+D, 1991 Peugeot Slimestone, 1987 Bianchi Volpe, 1995 Trek 750






