My new favorite stem
10-06-22, 05:02 AM
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My new favorite stem
Fiamme Montreal. I love the lines. Very elegant. 10.79 including shipping and tax from a great EBay seller who honored the .99 bid.
Elegance
Love the attachment point
I am guessing this is an 80s version of the earlier stem?
Elegance
Love the attachment point
I am guessing this is an 80s version of the earlier stem?
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10-06-22, 05:38 AM
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Looks like a Cinelli 1A
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Originally Posted by sced
Looks like a Cinelli 1A
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10-06-22, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sced
Looks like a Cinelli 1A
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The Montreal does have gorgeous lines and the price certainly can’t be beat. And the polishing is simply amazing.
I got out of visible stem bolts in about 1987.
I got out of visible stem bolts in about 1987.
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^ Sure looks like a lot of space between stem clamp and bars in that pic. Or a shadow?
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Originally Posted by nlerner
^ Sure looks like a lot of space between stem clamp and bars in that pic. Or a shadow?
10-06-22, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by smd4
That's how that particular stem is designed. The knurled clamp is internal (and therefore not visible) and pushes the bar forward against the front of the stem. There is no movement or creaking.
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10-06-22, 10:37 AM
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This is one reason as an ebay seller I just go with a set buy it now price. My last "auction" was a top of the line leather coat, new with tag. Started at 99 cents. Sold for 99 cents. I even lost money on the shipping too. Lesson learned.
10-06-22, 10:43 AM
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I lost out on cheap opening bids too. I started a museum piece Schwinn Predator "Blue Max" (chrome frameset with blue ano'd Sugino 3pc and hubs) about a decade ago for $9.99. It only got one bid early, but I thought for sure it would get a last minute snipe war. Nope, should have parted it for at least $500.
10-06-22, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Dylansbob
I lost out on cheap opening bids too. I started a museum piece Schwinn Predator "Blue Max" (chrome frameset with blue ano'd Sugino 3pc and hubs) about a decade ago for $9.99. It only got one bid early, but I thought for sure it would get a last minute snipe war. Nope, should have parted it for at least $500.
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
I think Neal is saying that the bar diameter might be a bit small for that stem? Some Cinelli was 26.0, some 26.4. Some bars 25.4, some 26.0 and some 26.4
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
I only buy on eBay. But I have to give credit to the seller to honor the bid. I went to see if there was any buy it now stuff to soften the blow but nothing as yet.
10-06-22, 12:20 PM
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Apparently my new stem will NOT be getting matching bars...
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Originally Posted by smd4
The Montreal does have gorgeous lines and the price certainly can’t be beat. And the polishing is simply amazing.
I got out of visible stem bolts in about 1987.
I got out of visible stem bolts in about 1987.
Three here… Team and Pro Miyatas, and Univega Competizione.
Two more here… Specialized Team Allez by Tesch, and another Team Miyata.
Two more… one on my QA and a highly polished one on my Tesch but it’s since been replaced.
Probably have 6 or 7 in my cabinet drawer of stems.
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
Apparently my new stem will NOT be getting matching bars...
10-06-22, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
Why??
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10-06-22, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
That's how that particular stem is designed. The knurled clamp is internal (and therefore not visible) and pushes the bar forward against the front of the stem. There is no movement or creaking.
10-06-22, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles Wahl
And how is that stem tightened in the steerer? Being Shimano, I suspect it might be something like "from the bottom, with a special tool". Also, I don't think I could ride a bike if I had to look at a Shimano logo the whole time.
And where is this glaring Shimano logo you speak of?
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc
pricey
10-06-22, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by smd4
Your suspicion is incorrect. 6 mm allen, tightening an aluminum cone from the top, just like any other high-quality quill stem.
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And where is this glaring Shimano logo you speak of?
(photo from Velobase.com)
To return to on-topic: OP's Fiamme stem has a much nicer finish.
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Originally Posted by smd4
Use all the dough you saved on the stem to get the bars!
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Originally Posted by Charles Wahl
OK, I looked up the manual on this (never seen a stem that needed a manual) and see that the elbow cap is just a cap. But a cheater bar is required to adjust either the handlebar clamp or the stem cone:
Maybe right here:
(photo from Velobase.com)
To return to on-topic: OP's Fiamme stem has a much nicer finish.
Maybe right here:
(photo from Velobase.com)
To return to on-topic: OP's Fiamme stem has a much nicer finish.
In addition to the cheater, I also have a T wrench. Neither is a specialized tool.
The Montreal is wonderfully finished; The Dura Ace simply matches the rest of the 7400 group.
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10-06-22, 06:40 PM
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You can’t ride a bike because you’d be staring at 2mm tall letters?
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Originally Posted by Charles Wahl
Yes, and I'll bet they're 3 mm tall.
