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Old 10-06-22, 05:02 AM
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My new favorite stem

Fiamme Montreal. I love the lines. Very elegant. 10.79 including shipping and tax from a great EBay seller who honored the .99 bid.



Elegance


Love the attachment point

I am guessing this is an 80s version of the earlier stem?
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Looks like a Cinelli 1A
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Originally Posted by sced View Post
Looks like a Cinelli 1A
Bolt/clamp setup is completely different.
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Originally Posted by sced View Post
Looks like a Cinelli 1A
The lines are a bit different as it approaches the bar clamp, but definitely in the same category.
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The Montreal does have gorgeous lines and the price certainly can’t be beat. And the polishing is simply amazing.

I got out of visible stem bolts in about 1987.


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^ Sure looks like a lot of space between stem clamp and bars in that pic. Or a shadow?
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
^ Sure looks like a lot of space between stem clamp and bars in that pic. Or a shadow?
That's how that particular stem is designed. The knurled clamp is internal (and therefore not visible) and pushes the bar forward against the front of the stem. There is no movement or creaking.
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
That's how that particular stem is designed. The knurled clamp is internal (and therefore not visible) and pushes the bar forward against the front of the stem. There is no movement or creaking.
I think Neal is saying that the bar diameter might be a bit small for that stem? Some Cinelli was 26.0, some 26.4. Some bars 25.4, some 26.0 and some 26.4
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This is one reason as an ebay seller I just go with a set buy it now price. My last "auction" was a top of the line leather coat, new with tag. Started at 99 cents. Sold for 99 cents. I even lost money on the shipping too. Lesson learned.
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I lost out on cheap opening bids too. I started a museum piece Schwinn Predator "Blue Max" (chrome frameset with blue ano'd Sugino 3pc and hubs) about a decade ago for $9.99. It only got one bid early, but I thought for sure it would get a last minute snipe war. Nope, should have parted it for at least $500.
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Originally Posted by Dylansbob View Post
I lost out on cheap opening bids too. I started a museum piece Schwinn Predator "Blue Max" (chrome frameset with blue ano'd Sugino 3pc and hubs) about a decade ago for $9.99. It only got one bid early, but I thought for sure it would get a last minute snipe war. Nope, should have parted it for at least $500.
I only buy on eBay. But I have to give credit to the seller to honor the bid. I went to see if there was any buy it now stuff to soften the blow but nothing as yet.
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc View Post
I think Neal is saying that the bar diameter might be a bit small for that stem? Some Cinelli was 26.0, some 26.4. Some bars 25.4, some 26.0 and some 26.4
No, the bar is the correct size for the stem. Anything larger will not fit. Anything smaller will slip. The bar and stem are both designed for 26.0mm.
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I only buy on eBay. But I have to give credit to the seller to honor the bid. I went to see if there was any buy it now stuff to soften the blow but nothing as yet.
I love getting deals like this. Every once in a while you can really score big on eBay!
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Apparently my new stem will NOT be getting matching bars...

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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
The Montreal does have gorgeous lines and the price certainly can’t be beat. And the polishing is simply amazing.

I got out of visible stem bolts in about 1987.

yeah, the Shimano aero stem is my favorite quill stem hand down.

Three here… Team and Pro Miyatas, and Univega Competizione.



Two more here… Specialized Team Allez by Tesch, and another Team Miyata.



Two more… one on my QA and a highly polished one on my Tesch but it’s since been replaced.





Probably have 6 or 7 in my cabinet drawer of stems.
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Originally Posted by jdawginsc View Post
Apparently my new stem will NOT be getting matching bars...

Why??
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Why??
pricey
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That's how that particular stem is designed. The knurled clamp is internal (and therefore not visible) and pushes the bar forward against the front of the stem. There is no movement or creaking.
And how is that stem tightened in the steerer? Being Shimano, I suspect it might be something like "from the bottom, with a special tool". Also, I don't think I could ride a bike if I had to look at a Shimano logo the whole time.
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And how is that stem tightened in the steerer? Being Shimano, I suspect it might be something like "from the bottom, with a special tool". Also, I don't think I could ride a bike if I had to look at a Shimano logo the whole time.
Your suspicion is incorrect. 6 mm allen, tightening an aluminum cone from the top, just like any other high-quality quill stem.

And where is this glaring Shimano logo you speak of?

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Originally Posted by jdawginsc View Post
pricey
Use all the dough you saved on the stem to get the bars!
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Your suspicion is incorrect. 6 mm allen, tightening an aluminum cone from the top, just like any other high-quality quill stem.
OK, I looked up the manual on this (never seen a stem that needed a manual) and see that the elbow cap is just a cap. But a cheater bar is required to adjust either the handlebar clamp or the stem cone:


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And where is this glaring Shimano logo you speak of?
Maybe right here:


(photo from Velobase.com)

To return to on-topic: OP's Fiamme stem has a much nicer finish.
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
Use all the dough you saved on the stem to get the bars!
This is true. Never expected to win it of course...
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Originally Posted by Charles Wahl View Post
OK, I looked up the manual on this (never seen a stem that needed a manual) and see that the elbow cap is just a cap. But a cheater bar is required to adjust either the handlebar clamp or the stem cone:



Maybe right here:


(photo from Velobase.com)

To return to on-topic: OP's Fiamme stem has a much nicer finish.
You can’t ride a bike because you’d be staring at 2mm tall letters? Weird. You can replace the cap with a plain aftermarket one if you’re triggered that easily.

In addition to the cheater, I also have a T wrench. Neither is a specialized tool.

The Montreal is wonderfully finished; The Dura Ace simply matches the rest of the 7400 group.
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You can’t ride a bike because you’d be staring at 2mm tall letters?
Yes, and I'll bet they're 3 mm tall.
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Yes, and I'll bet they're 3 mm tall.
I measured them with a digital caliper before I posted.
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