Win some, lose some...loss
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Win some, lose some...loss
So, I thought this was a good risk on bidding low and who knows...
Dura Ace levers, SunTour Bae ends, Cinelli bars and stem...um...oops
Bar ends are jammed in so hard and the Allen screws are over tightened and stripped...
Which means I cannot get the lever bands off, or the stem to salvage the wedge bolts.

The debacle culprit

Stem...

Was going to send [MENTION=498403]Mad Honk[/MENTION] the bars but blech...
Was thinking of cutting the bars to bull horn but then the label as ugly as it is would be upside down...
Dura Ace levers, SunTour Bae ends, Cinelli bars and stem...um...oops
Bar ends are jammed in so hard and the Allen screws are over tightened and stripped...
Which means I cannot get the lever bands off, or the stem to salvage the wedge bolts.

The debacle culprit

Stem...

Was going to send [MENTION=498403]Mad Honk[/MENTION] the bars but blech...
Was thinking of cutting the bars to bull horn but then the label as ugly as it is would be upside down...
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1987 Crest C'dale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin EL, 1990 Van Tuyl, 1985 Trek 670, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Isoard, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981 Faggin, 1996 C'dale M500, 1984 Mercian Pro, 1982 AD SuperLeicht, 1985 Massi ?, 1988 Daccordi Griffe , 1989 Fauxsin MTB, 1981 Ciocc Mockba, 1992 Bianchi Giro, 1977 Colnago Super, 1971 Raleigh Internat'l, 1998 Corratec U+D, 1991 Peugeot Slimestone, 1987 Bianchi Volpe, 1995 Trek 750
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i was also thinking of drilling the bolt out from the ends. Not sure what the mechanism looks like though.
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On my Campy Bar ends the threading is left hand so maybe somebody didn't know that. There are allen style easy outs that may work. Again ,on my Campy ones , I think the hex is a through hole. I just rewrapped the bars on my Mondia and I had forgotten , when I went to remove the bar ends I realized that I was putting too much pressure on the wrench and then I remembered! Doh!! Lucky for me it was prior to stripping the hex.
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I have to ask - which way are you trying to turn them? They usually get damaged because people are trying to "unscrew" them, when in fact you need to turn clockwise and screw the bolt farther in to release the compression.
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The last post would have been helpful two hours ago! Haha.
I used the Dave method of junk yard mechanical engineering to remove the bar ends, salvaged the stem fixing wedge bolt and threaded wedge. Lost the floating wedge to corrosion.
Bar is saved, bar ends mostly (need a bolt to replace stripped fixing one but the shifters are good if a bit rough. Dura Ace 7400 levers intact. Stem is a carcass but the alloy steerer mech is good.
And Dave gets his rider quality bars.
I used the Dave method of junk yard mechanical engineering to remove the bar ends, salvaged the stem fixing wedge bolt and threaded wedge. Lost the floating wedge to corrosion.
Bar is saved, bar ends mostly (need a bolt to replace stripped fixing one but the shifters are good if a bit rough. Dura Ace 7400 levers intact. Stem is a carcass but the alloy steerer mech is good.
And Dave gets his rider quality bars.
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1987 Crest C'dale, 1987 Basso Gap, 1992 Rossin EL, 1990 Van Tuyl, 1985 Trek 670, 2003 Pinarello Surprise, 1990ish MBK Atlantique, 1987 Peugeot Isoard, 1987 Nishiki Tri-A, 1981 Faggin, 1996 C'dale M500, 1984 Mercian Pro, 1982 AD SuperLeicht, 1985 Massi ?, 1988 Daccordi Griffe , 1989 Fauxsin MTB, 1981 Ciocc Mockba, 1992 Bianchi Giro, 1977 Colnago Super, 1971 Raleigh Internat'l, 1998 Corratec U+D, 1991 Peugeot Slimestone, 1987 Bianchi Volpe, 1995 Trek 750
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The last post would have been helpful two hours ago! Haha.
I used the Dave method of junk yard mechanical engineering to remove the bar ends, salvaged the stem fixing wedge bolt and threaded wedge. Lost the floating wedge to corrosion.
Bar is saved, bar ends mostly (need a bolt to replace stripped fixing one but the shifters are good if a bit rough. Dura Ace 7400 levers intact. Stem is a carcass but the alloy steerer mech is good.
And Dave gets his rider quality bars.
I used the Dave method of junk yard mechanical engineering to remove the bar ends, salvaged the stem fixing wedge bolt and threaded wedge. Lost the floating wedge to corrosion.
Bar is saved, bar ends mostly (need a bolt to replace stripped fixing one but the shifters are good if a bit rough. Dura Ace 7400 levers intact. Stem is a carcass but the alloy steerer mech is good.
And Dave gets his rider quality bars.
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Exactly right. Still not sure why the reverse thread. Other wedge mechs are regular thread...?
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it isn’t reverse thread - it’s just that the bolt needs to go deeper in to the bar in order to release the compression, so you need to screw it in rather than out. Another way to think about it is that you’re unscrewing a bolt by turning the tip instead of the head.
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I now get it. Makes sense. More knowledge attained!
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[MENTION=452523]machinist42[/MENTION] by popular demand...


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The still functional, but rough and in need of one expansion bolt thingy, ratcheting bar shifters.
These will be offered free to anyone who takes on one of my “O-Rama” boxes (brakes, hubs or pedals)

These will be offered free to anyone who takes on one of my “O-Rama” boxes (brakes, hubs or pedals)

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Exactly.
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