I bought it for the dropouts - seconda parte
12-07-22, 06:18 PM
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I bought it for the dropouts - seconda parte
My 8 regular readers may recall my first thread - I bought it for the dropouts
A mid-1930s Pagliati with Campagnolo's first gen dropouts (although I believe there is an earlier version, but those could be prototypes). Nothing nefarious, I'm gonna build that bike someday.
I have no interest in another bike except.... I regret not purchasing a 1952 Maino, then this popped into my feed, a 1951 Maino with first gen Gran Sport dropouts. 4mm screws and the derailleur stop at 4 o'clock instead of normal 7 o'clock. Campagnolo made these for a hot minute in 1951. Now I get to spend 20x on the proper rear derailleur than I did on the frame. Oh joy.
Maino 01 by iabisdb, on Flickr
Maino 02 by iabisdb, on Flickr
Maino 03 by iabisdb, on Flickr
Maino 04 by iabisdb, on Flickr
Maino 05 by iabisdb, on Flickr
Maino 06 by iabisdb, on Flickr
Maino 07 by iabisdb, on Flickr
Maino 08 by iabisdb, on Flickr
A mid-1930s Pagliati with Campagnolo's first gen dropouts (although I believe there is an earlier version, but those could be prototypes). Nothing nefarious, I'm gonna build that bike someday.
I have no interest in another bike except.... I regret not purchasing a 1952 Maino, then this popped into my feed, a 1951 Maino with first gen Gran Sport dropouts. 4mm screws and the derailleur stop at 4 o'clock instead of normal 7 o'clock. Campagnolo made these for a hot minute in 1951. Now I get to spend 20x on the proper rear derailleur than I did on the frame. Oh joy.
Maino 01 by iabisdb, on Flickr Maino 02 by iabisdb, on FlickrMaino 03 by iabisdb, on FlickrMaino 04 by iabisdb, on Flickr Maino 05 by iabisdb, on Flickr Maino 06 by iabisdb, on Flickr Maino 07 by iabisdb, on Flickr Maino 08 by iabisdb, on Flickr
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12-07-22, 06:38 PM
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Never seen a brake bridge quite like that. It's a work of art. The whole thing is. 
12-07-22, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by OTS
Can't wait to see how this plays out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA
12-07-22, 07:06 PM
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Agrati "AM" pattern lugs with the points removed from the feature cut
have not seen this arrangement previously
what year did Cesare Rizzato get the rights to the Maino marque?
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Agrati "AM" pattern lugs with the points removed from the feature cut
have not seen this arrangement previously
what year did Cesare Rizzato get the rights to the Maino marque?
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I love it when this happens, you get to go down a long dark road and we get to go along for the ride.
Fortunately for me, when I had the money, I didn't have the sense, now I have neither so I'm safe for the time being.
Should have committed to something like this while I still could.
Fantastic project.
I love it when this happens, you get to go down a long dark road and we get to go along for the ride.Fortunately for me, when I had the money, I didn't have the sense, now I have neither so I'm safe for the time being.
Should have committed to something like this while I still could.
Fantastic project.
12-07-22, 08:04 PM
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Lotta cool features on that bike.
Is that your bike workshop? Kinda feel like one might need a white lab coat to work in there
Is that your bike workshop? Kinda feel like one might need a white lab coat to work in there
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I like it, and it doesn't hurt, that it's a cool color. 👍
Are those fender eyelets threaded? Something tells me no, they were made for nuts & bolts. 🤔
Are those fender eyelets threaded? Something tells me no, they were made for nuts & bolts. 🤔
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4 o'clock stop on a Campy dropout? Learn something every day, did not know they were ever made.
I like the way the threaded hole is beefed up where the 4mm dropout screw goes in. They should have kept that feature.
I like the way the threaded hole is beefed up where the 4mm dropout screw goes in. They should have kept that feature.
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Originally Posted by gugie
They should have kept that feature.
12-07-22, 09:37 PM
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Wow- that seat-post collar is something else! And the seat-stay brake bridge too!
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Originally Posted by iab
This particular dropout is 6mm thick. Later in 1951 it changed to 7mm thick with a 4mm screw at and stop at 7 o'clock. In 1952 it changed again to 7mm thick with a 3mm screw.
I'm sure it wears the wrong color, but not to far from McLaren Orange, so should be fast.
just don't paint it Silver, there are too many silver bikes now.
looks Long, back during the era where generous wheelbase was a feature.
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Originally Posted by iab
that probably if offered was not cheap.
possible terrific saddle on the black bike behind
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@iab - Fantastic looking frame set! cool lugs and the brake bridge looks like a bridge!
Would you mind adding a picture of the other side of the post collar? I would like to see what he bolt and nut look like that I need to match for the Frejus.
Would you mind adding a picture of the other side of the post collar? I would like to see what he bolt and nut look like that I need to match for the Frejus.
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Originally Posted by iab
and the derailleur stop at 4 o'clock instead of normal 7 o'clock. Campagnolo made these for a hot minute in 1951. Now I get to spend 20x on the proper rear derailleur than I did on the frame. Oh joy.
Eh, maybe that would not work.
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Originally Posted by tiger1964
No chance of fabricating a thin washer with a tab bent over to simulate the three missing hours? I'd start with a fender washer and start cutting...
Eh, maybe that would not work.
Eh, maybe that would not work.
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Originally Posted by SJX426
@iab - Fantastic looking frame set! cool lugs and the brake bridge looks like a bridge!
Would you mind adding a picture of the other side of the post collar? I would like to see what he bolt and nut look like that I need to match for the Frejus.
Would you mind adding a picture of the other side of the post collar? I would like to see what he bolt and nut look like that I need to match for the Frejus.
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs
Is that your bike workshop? Kinda feel like one might need a white lab coat to work in there
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Originally Posted by merziac
@iab
I love it when this happens, you get to go down a long dark road and we get to go along for the ride...
I love it when this happens, you get to go down a long dark road and we get to go along for the ride...
Originally Posted by tiger1964
No chance of fabricating a thin washer with a tab bent over to simulate the three missing hours? I'd start with a fender washer and start cutting...
Eh, maybe that would not work.
Eh, maybe that would not work.
Originally Posted by 79pmooney
It can be done. I "ISO'd" a Heuret on my Raleigh Competition. I forget what I did and it was way too much work. Bike went in for paint, braze-ons, etc and the dropout got properly and permanently ISO'd.
I suspect that a large part of the attraction of this frame was exactly the challenge of finding the right parts and building the bike accordingly.
Sounds like a good excuse for another trip to Italy!
Brent
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs
Is that your bike workshop? Kinda feel like one might need a white lab coat to work in there
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Originally Posted by smontanaro
You have that about right. It's kind of a cross between a museum and a Porsche engine build room. Fortunately, without the roped off sections with the "Do Not Enter" signs.
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Originally Posted by smontanaro
You have that about right. It's kind of a cross between a museum and a Porsche engine build room. Fortunately, without the roped off sections with the "Do Not Enter" signs.
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Originally Posted by iab
Oh. You are gonna wait. There is nothing that will go fast in this money pit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA
