Is this rust a no go?
#3
feros ferio

Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 22,397
Likes: 1,864
From: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
The seat tube - bottom bracket junction is under extremely high stress, and that is where my Nishiki frame failed after about 20K miles of hard use. I was able to ride home just fine, with a groan coming out of the frame on every pedal downstroke, even though I geared pretty far down and took it easy. I never felt endangered, so I would say ride it until it inevitably fails there.
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
#4
Senior Member

Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 2,721
Likes: 1,691
From: Berkeley CA
Bikes: 1981 Ron Cooper, 1974 Cinelli Speciale Corsa, 1975 Alex Singer, 2000 Gary Fisher Sugar 1, 1986 Miyata 710, 1982 Raleigh "International", 1985 Trek 720
I would not pay $80 for that bike. The rust on the top tube looks to go deep. There are plenty of cheap bikes out there that don't have such compromised frames.
#6
Senior Member


Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 2,155
Likes: 829
From: Eastern Shore, MD
Bikes: Road ready: 1993 Koga Miyata City Liner Touring Hybrid, 1989 Centurion Sport DLX, "I Blame GP" Bridgestone CB-1. Projects: Yea, I got a problem....
I think the 23" framed are relatively rare compared to smaller sizes, so while there are likely much better deals out there, you might have to wait a while to find one.
You could probably ride it as is for years as is. For a rider I would tear it down, inspect inside the bottom bracket shell, scrape, chemically treat the rust, prime, paint, maybe clear coat and wax. I've done this on a couple bikes. It takes time and a more money than you'd think for materials.
Next one, which happens to be a 23" Trek 750, is getting a utilitarian powder coat. But that project has enough sunk costs that the extra $120 seems like a rational choice...,
You could probably ride it as is for years as is. For a rider I would tear it down, inspect inside the bottom bracket shell, scrape, chemically treat the rust, prime, paint, maybe clear coat and wax. I've done this on a couple bikes. It takes time and a more money than you'd think for materials.
Next one, which happens to be a 23" Trek 750, is getting a utilitarian powder coat. But that project has enough sunk costs that the extra $120 seems like a rational choice...,
#7
Senior Member


Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 7,714
Likes: 4,104
From: Berkeley, CA
Bikes: 72 Cilo Pacer, 72 Gitane GT, 72 Peugeot PX10, 73 Speedwell Ti,l, 75 Peugeot PR-10L, 80 Colnago Super, 81 Zinn, 85 ALAN Cross, 85 De Rosa Pro, 86 Look 753, 86 Look KG86, 89 Parkpre Team, 90 Parkpre Team MTB, 90 Merlin
Sand it, treat it, clean it. After you’re done removing the rust, that should be a relatively easy to touch-up job with black paint if you wish. From my perspective, it looks like it’s definitely early enough to salvage, and worth the effort for a well-made, versatile lugged frame.
That said, I don’t have any experience with this model, but I am a battered veteran in the war against rust. Case in point: my commuter, which is currently undergoing itssemi-annual periodic oxalic acid bath and cleansing which started last weekend. Planning to put it back together this weekend. I love this bike. I’m not about to give it up. What if this Trek is such a bike for you? I want that for you. You live in Portland. Embrace it.
Before


All I did was quickly scrub it with a mildly-soapy brush, and toss it in an oxalic acid bath (sold in many hardware stores as wood bleach, roughly 1 tbs per gallon).

Typically, it only takes about 24 to 36 hours for light to moderate rust. This bath lasted a few days but hopefully bought me several more years on my faithful Cilo. (I have an identical back-up frame in the wings.)

That said, I don’t have any experience with this model, but I am a battered veteran in the war against rust. Case in point: my commuter, which is currently undergoing its
Before


All I did was quickly scrub it with a mildly-soapy brush, and toss it in an oxalic acid bath (sold in many hardware stores as wood bleach, roughly 1 tbs per gallon).

Typically, it only takes about 24 to 36 hours for light to moderate rust. This bath lasted a few days but hopefully bought me several more years on my faithful Cilo. (I have an identical back-up frame in the wings.)

Last edited by gaucho777; 10-12-24 at 08:24 AM.
#8
Senior Member


Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 2,155
Likes: 829
From: Eastern Shore, MD
Bikes: Road ready: 1993 Koga Miyata City Liner Touring Hybrid, 1989 Centurion Sport DLX, "I Blame GP" Bridgestone CB-1. Projects: Yea, I got a problem....
What are you doing for rust prevention between baths? I've got a black bike that I cleaned up with Navel Jelly and black rattle can rust primer. The bike is waxed occasionally and gets hosed down with WD40 pretty regularly. Its been living outside, 1000 feet from the Chesapeake for 4-5 years, and has seen a use ridden in the winter with spiked tires, getting a good dose of road salt. The rust hasn't really gotten any worse. I'm in no way a commuter, so of course YMMV.......
Last edited by bark_eater; 10-12-24 at 05:10 AM.
#9
Senior Member


Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 7,714
Likes: 4,104
From: Berkeley, CA
Bikes: 72 Cilo Pacer, 72 Gitane GT, 72 Peugeot PX10, 73 Speedwell Ti,l, 75 Peugeot PR-10L, 80 Colnago Super, 81 Zinn, 85 ALAN Cross, 85 De Rosa Pro, 86 Look 753, 86 Look KG86, 89 Parkpre Team, 90 Parkpre Team MTB, 90 Merlin
Sorry, I used the wrong term. Not semi-annual. I do this every 2-3 years. In the meantime, I do occasionally wrap a rag around the tube and soak it with Evapo-rust for a day or two.
@bark_eater I am thinking of adding some clear coat this time, but up until now I’ve just coated with wax.
@bark_eater I am thinking of adding some clear coat this time, but up until now I’ve just coated with wax.
Last edited by gaucho777; 10-12-24 at 05:49 PM.
#10
Senior Member

Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,638
Likes: 1,251
Where (what kinds of conditions) has it been stored under? What I'd do is offer $40.00, take the fork off and inspect blades, crown, ends and steerer for any oxydization. Strip, etch and prime areas of rust to get an intimate look at what's going on. Grey primer spots will just make this frame look more bad-ass. Ride hard.
#11
Senior Member



Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 5,777
Likes: 3,338
From: Los Angeles
Bikes: 82 Medici, 85 Ironman, 2011 Richard Sachs
Lugged 750s are not very common. If it fits and fills a gap in your stable, and you don’t mind arresting the rust, go for it. Have you been waiting for this model to show up?
__________________
I don't do: disks, tubeless, e-shifting, or bead head nymphs. But I do hate all e-bikes.
I don't do: disks, tubeless, e-shifting, or bead head nymphs. But I do hate all e-bikes.
#12
Senior Member




Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 21,771
Likes: 5,676
From: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones
I am not trying to talk the OP into buying this bike but it is worth pointing out that this is a terrific bike. The 90s lugged Trek 750s are very similar to the 520s, Trek's top touring bike (the hybrids lack downtube shifter bosses though). This is my 1993 750. I think this is one of the finest all around bikes I have ever ridden.


Last edited by bikemig; 10-12-24 at 09:37 AM.
#13
Senior Member




Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 21,771
Likes: 5,676
From: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones
The bike may or may not be worth $80 but a '93 lugged Trek 750 is, IMO, a desirable bike. This is a top dog hybrid bike from back in the day with a full chrome moly frame. Mine weighs 27 lbs which isn't bad with a Brooks leather saddle and Schwalbe Marathon 700 x 38c "racer" tires (only Schwalbe would think that these are racer tires). These bikes are not easy to find.
Last edited by bikemig; 10-12-24 at 03:23 PM.
#14
Senior Member


Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 2,155
Likes: 829
From: Eastern Shore, MD
Bikes: Road ready: 1993 Koga Miyata City Liner Touring Hybrid, 1989 Centurion Sport DLX, "I Blame GP" Bridgestone CB-1. Projects: Yea, I got a problem....
Sorry, I used the wrong term. Not semi-annual. I do this every 2-3 years. In the meantime, I do occasionally wrap a rag around the tube and soak is with Evapo-rust for a day or two.
@bark_eater I am thinking of adding some clear coat this time, but up until now I’ve just coated with wax.
@bark_eater I am thinking of adding some clear coat this time, but up until now I’ve just coated with wax.
#15
Thread Starter
Full Member

Joined: Oct 2020
Posts: 420
Likes: 330
From: Portland
I went back and it was still there, and lowered to 60, so I picked it up. I figure if all fails, then I have a decent set of 700’s for another project. I did get it home and sanded down the top tube and it looks like it is all superficial. I guess this will be my winter project.
#16
Mike J

Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 296
Likes: 491
From: Jacksonville Florida
Bikes: 1974 Peugeot UO-8 1962 Peugeot PL-10, 1974 Motobecane Grand Record
I went back and it was still there, and lowered to 60, so I picked it up. I figure if all fails, then I have a decent set of 700’s for another project. I did get it home and sanded down the top tube and it looks like it is all superficial. I guess this will be my winter project.
#17
Senior Member




Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 21,771
Likes: 5,676
From: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones
I went back and it was still there, and lowered to 60, so I picked it up. I figure if all fails, then I have a decent set of 700’s for another project. I did get it home and sanded down the top tube and it looks like it is all superficial. I guess this will be my winter project.
#18
Not lost, just exploring

Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,608
Likes: 1,759
From: Near the Heart of OH
Bikes: '25 Jamis Renegade S1, '18 Quick 1,'04 Trek 2300, '97 730 Multitrack, '95 750 Multitrack, and a few others
I'd offer less and pick it up - great organ donor if the rust is too bad. As for treating the rust, here's my choice for those who are not aware of it: Por-15 High Performance Restoration Products
#19
Paramount Fan


Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 501
Likes: 445
From: Vermont
Bikes: Marinoni, Paramounts, Raleigh Pros, Colnago, DeRosa, Gios, Masis, Pinarello, R. Sachs, Look, Falcon, D. Moulton, Witcomb, Woodrup, Atala, Motobecane, Bianchis, Fat City, Frejus, Follis, Waterford, Litespeed, d'Autremont, others, mostly '70s-'80s
I've seen and ridden much, much worse, but I would not pay $80 for it, unless perhaps the parts were good quality and in quite good condition and I had another frame in mind to eventually move the stuff over onto. That top tube rust says more to me than the stuff around the BB, as there is flaking of the steel, and the tubing is typically quite thin in that area. It's clear that this bike has spent extended time in damp storage. While I don't see rust on the components, it's possible there is more corrosion inside the tubes. It's a mid-range model--a decent bike but nothing really special. I'd offer half that, settle for 50 bucks, but then spend some time cleaning up those rusty areas and recoating them. That rust goes right into the steel, so you want to treat it with something like EvapoRust after sanding off the surface rust, then priming and painting it, something you should be able to do yourself. Even with all that, the rust will still come back, eventually, so keep your eye on it and be prepared for a repeat performance.
#20
Senior Member




Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 21,771
Likes: 5,676
From: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones
I've seen and ridden much, much worse, but I would not pay $80 for it, unless perhaps the parts were good quality and in quite good condition and I had another frame in mind to eventually move the stuff over onto. That top tube rust says more to me than the stuff around the BB, as there is flaking of the steel, and the tubing is typically quite thin in that area. It's clear that this bike has spent extended time in damp storage. While I don't see rust on the components, it's possible there is more corrosion inside the tubes. It's a mid-range model--a decent bike but nothing really special. I'd offer half that, settle for 50 bucks, but then spend some time cleaning up those rusty areas and recoating them. That rust goes right into the steel, so you want to treat it with something like EvapoRust after sanding off the surface rust, then priming and painting it, something you should be able to do yourself. Even with all that, the rust will still come back, eventually, so keep your eye on it and be prepared for a repeat performance.
this is a link to the '93 catalog which provides the tubing specs for the 2 model. I also took a screen shot of the 2 models to show the tubing. The 520 came spec'd with better components.
https://www.vintage-trek.com/images/trek/93/Trek93.pdf

Last edited by bikemig; 10-14-24 at 12:18 PM.
#22
Senior Member


Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 2,155
Likes: 829
From: Eastern Shore, MD
Bikes: Road ready: 1993 Koga Miyata City Liner Touring Hybrid, 1989 Centurion Sport DLX, "I Blame GP" Bridgestone CB-1. Projects: Yea, I got a problem....
My Koga Miyata Hybrid is very close to a Miyata 1000, at least in specifications. Geometry is a bit different.
Trek did have a 790, which was the same frame as the 750. They also made 7 series hybrids in aluminum and glued carbon fiber. But that's more other end verses higher end.
Trek did have a 790, which was the same frame as the 750. They also made 7 series hybrids in aluminum and glued carbon fiber. But that's more other end verses higher end.









