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Old 02-14-25 | 12:02 PM
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ThomasOmalley and squirtdad ,
This is for you guys. I am going to do a clean up and show the steps to help Thomas out. Hope this helps!
Started with a pretty crusty looking set of pedals that show a lot of neglect, but the plan is to get them back on the road for S-dad. Pics with comments under them for the process.

Pedals as they came out of the stash. Rusty toe clips and delaminated Binda straps. First part is to get down to the pedal itself, so everything comes off.

Alfredo Binda straps after fifty years of damage.

Toe clips come off and are set aside. Old screws are discarded and new Stainless button head screws will be installed.

Dust cap removal tool, fits a handful of dust-caps. If you don't have one a pair of needle nose pliers can be used to grip the cap by the knurled section. The are right hand thread and should not be locked down very hard.

My junkyard pedal wrench three wrenches welded together to get the needed leverage sometimes needed to remove the pedals. Locked into the vise so I can use the flats of the spindle to break the cone nuts free.

The correct size of wrench for the cone lock nut. My preference is for the 6 point box end for better grip and no slipping.

Everything taken apart and the parts are cleaned. I use a six inch screwdriver to push a small section of cloth through the shell to get all the old grease out. Note the cloth under the shell for size and what came out of the shell.
I have taken the liberty to show the necessary steps. The dust caps are nylon and chrome painted so they were hand cleaned with a not so strong solvent, and then set aside for re-assembly.
The pedals have 5/32" bearings so be careful to not loose them or get a few new ones before taking the pedals apart. You will need about 50 bearings if you cannot re-use the old ones. These don't very often show burning of the balls but do check each bearing for any discoloration or damage. I did not remove the inner dust cap but if needed, it takes a blind bore bearing removal tool and it is pricey. Try to clean the pedal shell without removing the inner cap. A small brush like a tooth brush will get into the space and clean it pretty well. A petroleum solvent like mineral spirits usually works well If you don't have another solution for cleaning.
I will post next the parts after cleaning and the process for re-assembly. Smiles, MH

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beautiful job with the tutorial!

looking at the pictures reminded me of a set of Record pedals repacked for a customer back in the mid-eighties

his mount was early sixties and the pedals had never been touched...and he rode A LOT

the factory grease had turned to something akin to linoleum in hardness - it just laughed at parts clearer solution, had to be dug out mechanically


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beautiful job with the tutorial!

looking at the pictures reminded me of a set of Record pedals repacked for a customer back in the mid-eighties

his mount was early sixties and the pedals had never been touched...and he rode A LOT

the factory grease had turned to something akin to linoleum in hardness - it just laughed at parts clearer solution, had to be dug out mechanically


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“safe” solvents are a terrible adversary for old grease. Lacquer thinner will usually do the trick, outside with breathing protection.
tobacco pipe cleaners can be bent to get under the inboard debris shields.

note that Super Record pedals use smaller bearing balls also.
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I've overhauled way too many pedals in my past. Now, my approach is if the bearings seem fine, and the preload is good, then I just inject new grease through the handy grease injection port. Less than 5 minute operation.

All of the old grease gets pushed out inboard for cleanup with a rag. A lot faster and it reduces the risk of the locknut/cone getting loose, and playing havoc with the pedal internals. IIRC, on the right side, the cone will unwind and spill balls on the road. On the left, the cone will tighten up until the pedal locks up and the balls and cones are destroyed.
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Toe clips come off and are set aside.
There's a trick to getting these off easily.
When (often) it's not easy, it is because the screw and nut bind together and if you don't hold the nut, turning the screw turns both.

And rather than fumble trying to hold the pedal, screwdriver, and spanner with only two hands, set the screwdriver point upwards in the vice, put the screw head slot on that, and loosen the nut - after that all you should need is your fingers.

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Originally Posted by juvela
-----looking at the pictures reminded me of a set of Record pedals repacked for a customer back in the mid-eighties

his mount was early sixties and the pedals had never been touched...and he rode A LOT

the factory grease had turned to something akin to linoleum in hardness - it just laughed at parts clearer solution, had to be dug out mechanically
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Last year I restored a Masi GC for a commercial airline pilot. He'd had an airline mechanic regrease his bottom bracket about 10 years ago and I have no idea what he used for grease. When it aged, it dried HARD. You had to physically push the crankarm around. Once apart, all parts were difficult to clean with anything I had and had to be scraped clean. It's perfect now.
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Mad Honk,
Thank you SO much. This is very helpful. I can’t wait to get off work and tear into them!

Squirtdad, looks like the rain will clear just in time for our fresh pedals!

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Well folks,
Took a lunch break and now back at it. Buffett tunes in the background and time for re-assembly. Same deal a bunch of pictures with captions.

All the parts cleaned and ready for re-assembly. You can see all of the dirt on the rags that came off this pedal. Just a quirk of mine, but the white shows the dirt and leftover grease pretty well.

A tub of MH secret sauce, Valvoline high speed and Lucas oil to keep it from hardening.

Inner race filled lubrication. Bearings added and spindle slipped in place to seat the bearings in place in the lube.

With the spindle still in place it keeps the bearings for the outer race until you can put the cone on the spindle. A tip is to push the cone into the bearings to seat them and spin the spindle into the cone.

Spindle and cone started together. Now to set the bearing lash and add the washer and lock nut.

Back to my junkyard pedal wrench for the last bit. I hold the spindle in place in the wrench and set the locknut. The wrench in the vise helps me get things tight with little effort.

Put the dust cap back on and tighten down.

And the final touch, the button head stainless screws to hold the pedal clips. And for those who are new to dis: The valve adapter from presta to schraeder fits on the back side of the screw so you always have a spare with you.
This is the end of the process for one pedal. The advice here is to do them one at a time, I have seen the time when a mechanic switched the spindles and got the pedal bodies backward when put on the bike. This set of pedals could use aa good rub down with some SimiChrome or Mothers Mag polish. I clamp down a rag in the vise apply a bunch of polish and run the end of the rag through the small holes to clean every bit of the pedal body. I'm gonna leave that step to the new owner on the Left Coast. HTH, Smiles, MH

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The pedals have 5/32" bearings so be careful to not loose them or get a few new ones before taking the pedals apart. You will need about 50 bearings if you cannot re-use the old ones. These don't very often show burning of the balls but do check each bearing for any discoloration or damage.
Your pedal axles appear to be Gran Sport (no rifling on the axle), but they interchange with Record and use the same number of balls: 48, but it can't hurt to have a couple extras.

I did not remove the inner dust cap but if needed, it takes a blind bore bearing removal tool and it is pricey. Try to clean the pedal shell without removing the inner cap. A small brush like a tooth brush will get into the space and clean it pretty well. A petroleum solvent like mineral spirits usually works well If you don't have another solution for cleaning.
Agree, do not mess with the inboard dustcap unless you have the proper tool. It's too easy to damage it when you try to remove it. A toothbrush or Q-Tip with OMS works well to clean the inboard race with the dustcap in place. A rag and/or compressed air to remove any solvent or grease remaining.
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Yeah John,
I forgot to note that it takes 12 bearings per side, so this is kind of an addendum. They are indeed GS, but the innerds are all identical. The pair is finished and ready for a new user. The parting shot:

Both sides done and ready for more miles. Extra clip bolts for plastic bodied clips.
any questions or needed tips, gimme a PM. Smiles, MH
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Well folks,
Took a lunch break and now back at it. Buffett tunes in the background and time for re-assembly. Same deal a bunch of pictures with captions.

All the parts cleaned and ready for re-assembly. You can see all of the dirt on the rags that came off this pedal. Just a quirk of mine, but the white shows the dirt and leftover grease pretty well.

A tub of MH secret sauce, Valvoline high speed and Lucas oil to keep it from hardening.

Inner race filled lubrication. Bearings added and spindle slipped in place to seat the bearings in place in the lube.

With the spindle still in place it keeps the bearings for the outer race until you can put the cone on the spindle. A tip is to push the cone into the bearings to seat them and spin the spindle into the cone.

Spindle and cone started together. Now to set the bearing lash and add the washer and lock nut.

Back to my junkyard pedal wrench for the last bit. I hold the spindle in place in the wrench and set the locknut. The wrench in the vise helps me get things tight with little effort.

Put the dust cap back on and tighten down.

And the final touch, the button head stainless screws to hold the pedal clips. And for those who are new to dis: The valve adapter from presta to schraeder fits on the back side of the screw so you always have a spare with you.
This is the end of the process for one pedal. The advice here is to do them one at a time, I have seen the time when a mechanic switched the spindles and got the pedal bodies backward when put on the bike. This set of pedals could use aa good rub down with some SimiChrome or Mothers Mag polish. I clamp down a rag in the vise apply a bunch of polish and run the end of the rag through the small holes to clean every bit of the pedal body. I'm gonna leave that step to the new owner on the Left Coast. HTH, Smiles, MH
polishing is possible but way beyond the original out of the box appearance.
these pedals were good, I did not like the solid outer body web that altered the strap path.
in SoCal the lack of the reverse spiraling did not mean too much. Few were willing to ride in the rain. It is still that way.
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They are indeed GS, but the innerds are all identical.
Maybe I'm quibbling but...
While the rebuild instructions are identical, most of the parts are different. The pressed-in cups on Record are heat-treated and precision ground, vs. the stamped-steel cups on the GS.
This is very unimportant in use though, since GS pedals normally last approximately forever and are plenty smooth, so the extra "goodness" of a Record is pretty theoretical.

I started to write that none of the internals are identical, but then I looked it up. Turns out the cone, locknut and tongue washer are identical (same part numbers anyway). Everything else is different, and mo betta on Record (theoretically!)

Somehow I ended up with a pair of the Record pressed cups, part # 672:



Inner and outer cups are identical, so this is one pedal's worth. I never would have sought or ordered these, since I have never seen one worn out, so this must have been part of a "lot" that I got somewhen, lost in the mists of time.

The difference between Record and GS pedal cups is the same as between Record and Nuovo Tipo hubs, except with hubs it does matter, Tipo hub cups do wear out sometimes.
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Mad honk,

I finished the first pedal with just enough light to put away my tools. This was a tremendous help.

They spun really nicely but knowing what the bottom bracket and headset looked like, I knew it needed to be done. As you can see, the grease was solidifying in many places. I’m glad I repacked them before putting mileage on them.






The races were clean but I did find one spot of putting. Hopefully it won’t chew up the balls. I inspected each one and they were all clean. No gouge marks and no burn marks. I used a piece of a TP roll bent strategically to clean behind the dust cap. Worked very well and no chance of harming anything.

Reassembly was a breeze. Getting the balanced between tight on the balls and slop took a little back and forth but so does most everything. No matter. Here it is repacked before dust cap. I’ll totally keep my eye out for that tool next time I go to a swap meet.


I’ll do the next pedal tomorrow! Along with the hardware store for longer bolts and the bike shop for a valve adapter! I love tricks like that! Thanks again mad honk! I appreciate you taking the time to lay this out.
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Last year I restored a Masi GC for a commercial airline pilot. He'd had an airline mechanic regrease his bottom bracket about 10 years ago and I have no idea what he used for grease. When it aged, it dried HARD. You had to physically push the crankarm around. Once apart, all parts were difficult to clean with anything I had and had to be scraped clean. It's perfect now.
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Well Thomas,
Good on ya for doing the work. And even though some will quibble with me, I suspect this thread may inspire more young folks to venture into the very fine world of C&V. My work in the bike industry was at one time at the top of the industry, but I got away from it. It is a very long story and not very interesting, but I am back here trying to help some young folks out. I do volunteer at a local co-op and do teaching there. For me it is fun to be here helping young mechanics out and trying to clarify the mysteries of bike mechanisms. I am currently on a break from my job as a Golf Professional which pays the bills, but I am still trying to stay in the bike world. Smiles, MH

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Originally Posted by Mad Honk

Back to my junkyard pedal wrench for the last bit. I hold the spindle in place in the wrench and set the locknut. The wrench in the vise helps me get things tight with little effort.
For pedals without flanges there is an easier way to do this - hold the pedal axle in the vice; you may need to grab the flats with a corner and tilt the pedal slightly so it will rotate clear of the vice jaw top.
This way you can control the cone with one hand and the locknut with the other, instead of hoping that the keyed washer will actually work this time.

(I like this method to the point that for pedals with flanges I made a set of slip-on jaws that are a wee bit smaller than the flats.)
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I have done both steel and Ti versions of the Superleggeri pedals , I’ve only had one set of GS pedals . The only ones that were a bit challenging were the Ti spindle pedals , because of the tiny freaking balls! Sp rewarding though , to have buttery smooth pedals . Once done , they should last for e very long time . The last set , on my Colnago that is my main ride , I just checked after having a dust cap fail ( plastic was cracked at the threads ) . It had been since Eroica a few years ago and they looked just as if I had done them yesterday. Good job on the instructions , I have the Campy wrench that has the lock nut cut out on the opposite side of the dust wrench and it is very handy.
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For the Super Record pedals, I too had issues with the tiny bearings.

my solution was a 9/16” bore into a dense hardwood block, big enough to be stable on the bench or smaller that allowed to be clamped into a vise. One really needs a drill press as one wants a secure fit. Hand held drilling won’t cut it.

inserting the spindle end bearings up allows loading the bearing balls effectively and using tweezers to manipulate. The shallow races really make this job more of a challenge that it should be. Campagnolo could have used the typical bearing diameter on the outboard end.

load the cone and finish adjustment.
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Originally Posted by Mad Honk
Well Thomas,
Good on ya for doing the work. And even though some will quibble with me, I suspect this thread may inspire more young folks to venture into the very fine world of C&V. My work in the bike industry was at one time at the top of the industry, but I got away from it. It is a very long story and not very interesting, but I am back here trying to help some young folks out. I do volunteer at a local co-op and do teaching there. For me it is fun to be here helping young mechanics out and trying to clarify the mysteries of bike mechanisms. I am currently on a break from my job as a Golf Professional which pays the bills, but I am still trying to stay in the bike world. Smiles, MH
There has been a few threads like this that have really helped me get to the bottom of an issue or give me a good foundation to step forward with something. So even though im not at your local co-op, it really is a helping hand!

My other pedal was not as lucky as the first. The balls seemed fine but the (second?) races on the medial(toward the center of the bike) side of the pedal had a ring burnt into them. They feel ok, I packed them and I’ll ride them as soon as my knee heals up. Hopefully very soon!
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There has been a few threads like this that have really helped me get to the bottom of an issue or give me a good foundation to step forward with something. So even though im not at your local co-op, it really is a helping hand!

My other pedal was not as lucky as the first. The balls seemed fine but the (second?) races on the medial(toward the center of the bike) side of the pedal had a ring burnt into them. They feel ok, I packed them and I’ll ride them as soon as my knee heals up. Hopefully very soon!
I feel like we/I covered this and some here disagree but many hubs, pedals, HS's and BB's have lived a less than well serviced life.

I have for a long time now used new balls and regular thick auto wheel bearing grease for these, light grease is fine for cups, cones and races with very little or no scoring.

But the ones that are in trouble should be given every advantage they can to fight on for as long as they can, thick grease is a big help and can make them go another lifetime.

Growing up in rain soaked PDX, we learned quickly and rudely that we needed more than Phil or Lubriplate if we didn't want to have to overhaul things every month in the rainy season, September to June or longer many of the years.
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my solution was a 9/16” bore into a dense hardwood block, big enough to be stable on the bench or smaller that allowed to be clamped into a vise. One really needs a drill press as one wants a secure fit. Hand held drilling won’t cut it.
Hand-drill and cut a slot down the side of the hole; the vice will squeeze it tight.
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Hand-drill and cut a slot down the side of the hole; the vice will squeeze it tight.
my solution was an approx 6”square hardwood block, about 1 1/2” thick, no vise required. For those lumber poor, sure.
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Originally Posted by oneclick
Hand-drill and cut a slot down the side of the hole; the vice will squeeze it tight.
my solution was an approx 6”square hardwood block, about 1 1/2” thick, no vise required. For those lumber poor, sure.

the thrust was to position the pedal steady and keeping both hands free.
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