I have lived too long
01-12-26 | 08:32 PM
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I have lived too long
The Suntour Cyclone GT derailleur I had been planning to use in an upcoming build turns out to be minus its mounting bolt. Having been unable to find just a replacement bolt, I just checked the well-known auction site with an eye toward buying a complete derailleur. It is hard for me to believe that a Cyclone in good condition now sells for as much or more than a Nuovo Record, yet such is the case.
Maybe it's time for me to take up pickleball.
Maybe it's time for me to take up pickleball.
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01-12-26 | 08:34 PM
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What. You don't have a bin of them in your basement?
Strangely enough, it's the front derailleur I have a hard time tracking down in decent condition for a good price.
Strangely enough, it's the front derailleur I have a hard time tracking down in decent condition for a good price.
01-12-26 | 08:38 PM
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Cyclone should have always been worth more than contemporaneous Campy.
01-12-26 | 08:48 PM
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Why do people have a problem saying eBay?
There's so many ******y companies with ******y polices and ultra-champion chad level ****** CEOs... those are all fine- but yet to put the effort into not typing out "eBay?"
There's so many ******y companies with ******y polices and ultra-champion chad level ****** CEOs... those are all fine- but yet to put the effort into not typing out "eBay?"
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Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
01-12-26 | 09:25 PM
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I think, and am not a recognized expert on this, that Campagnolo has the pedigree and SunTour has a cult following. Even with that, the post slant-parallelogram patent era Shimano were also very good and you would think that people would consider this later Shimano to be a suitable substitute, however, there are many, me included, that just like SunTour.
Paying big $$ is another story. We of course are talking pre-indexing period.
Paying big $$ is another story. We of course are talking pre-indexing period.
Last edited by Velo Mule; 01-12-26 at 11:38 PM. Reason: I left out the word patent.
01-12-26 | 10:33 PM
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I think many here have been disappointed by it, some believe greatly so, probably not without merit and I suspect that as a seller when they ignored a change that impacted them greatly for not fully understanding it or somesuch.
Its always been ok for me but I only dabble.
Many folks went all in and found out how hard it can be to make a living at the hands of the monstrosity it came to be, more often no mercy for the sellers with the company calling all the shots, no recourse, no backstop, no help.
01-12-26 | 10:55 PM
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As someone that regularly sells on ebay, a nicer Suntour Vx or higher will bring as much, or often more, than a Campagnolo Nuovo Record RD. Cyclone G1 GT, yes, it sells for more.
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Please don't confuse ebay "asking" prices with "selling" prices. Many sellers never get their ask price. some are far from it. Value is determined once an item actually SELLS. Its easy enough to check SOLD prices.
Please don't confuse ebay "asking" prices with "selling" prices. Many sellers never get their ask price. some are far from it. Value is determined once an item actually SELLS. Its easy enough to check SOLD prices.
01-13-26 | 06:42 AM
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But really, you're right. It was kind of dumb, and not sure why I did it--probably just because I have seen others do so and I am at heart a conformist. I've never had a bad experience as an Ebay buyer, although I did get royally screwed in my one venture as a seller, so won't be doing that again.
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01-13-26 | 07:33 AM
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If you take up that mindless waste of precious time, 
I believe my head will explode. 
It's time to head south or southwest into a warmer environment for a break from that dreaded colt, snow, ice, and darkness.
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01-13-26 | 08:45 AM
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Cyclone's wider range accommodates today's gearing preferences better than the Campy.
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01-13-26 | 10:01 AM
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01-13-26 | 10:05 AM
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I thought my first go at selling was a fluke, the second proved the first had set a pattern.
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01-13-26 | 10:11 AM
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The Suntour Cyclone GT derailleur I had been planning to use in an upcoming build turns out to be minus its mounting bolt. Having been unable to find just a replacement bolt, I just checked the well-known auction site with an eye toward buying a complete derailleur. It is hard for me to believe that a Cyclone in good condition now sells for as much or more than a Nuovo Record, yet such is the case.
Maybe it's time for me to take up pickleball.
Maybe it's time for me to take up pickleball.
01-13-26 | 03:34 PM
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01-13-26 | 04:39 PM
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Hey, c'mon-- it's winter in Vermont, and since I can't ride except on my stationary bike, I'm always on the lookout for additional training opportunities. It's a lot more effortful to type "the well-known auction site" than it is to type "eBay." And see? I just did it.
But really, you're right. It was kind of dumb, and not sure why I did it--probably just because I have seen others do so and I am at heart a conformist. I've never had a bad experience as an Ebay buyer, although I did get royally screwed in my one venture as a seller, so won't be doing that again.
But really, you're right. It was kind of dumb, and not sure why I did it--probably just because I have seen others do so and I am at heart a conformist. I've never had a bad experience as an Ebay buyer, although I did get royally screwed in my one venture as a seller, so won't be doing that again.
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Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
01-13-26 | 05:35 PM
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The Suntour Cyclone GT derailleur I had been planning to use in an upcoming build turns out to be minus its mounting bolt. Having been unable to find just a replacement bolt, I just checked the well-known auction site with an eye toward buying a complete derailleur. It is hard for me to believe that a Cyclone in good condition now sells for as much or more than a Nuovo Record, yet such is the case.
Maybe it's time for me to take up pickleball.
Maybe it's time for me to take up pickleball.
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Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
01-13-26 | 08:17 PM
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01-13-26 | 10:15 PM
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01-14-26 | 07:17 AM
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I'd thought eBay policed their platform a little more carefully with regard to genuine, bona fide offers to buy as opposed to " I can send you $XXX now 'cause my cousin's girl friend needs a new laptop TOMORROW, OK?" I immediately dismissed.
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01-14-26 | 07:20 AM
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Seems odd to me... I've always thought a single one was enough for the purpose, unless of course there's some discrepancy in dimensions needing shimming, not just tension....
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01-14-26 | 02:08 PM
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Yes, I think so, too. It may not be right, but it will probably be close to right.
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01-14-26 | 02:09 PM
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Hey, c'mon-- it's winter in Vermont, and since I can't ride except on my stationary bike, I'm always on the lookout for additional training opportunities. It's a lot more effortful to type "the well-known auction site" than it is to type "eBay." And see? I just did it.
But really, you're right. It was kind of dumb, and not sure why I did it--probably just because I have seen others do so and I am at heart a conformist. I've never had a bad experience as an Ebay buyer, although I did get royally screwed in my one venture as a seller, so won't be doing that again.
But really, you're right. It was kind of dumb, and not sure why I did it--probably just because I have seen others do so and I am at heart a conformist. I've never had a bad experience as an Ebay buyer, although I did get royally screwed in my one venture as a seller, so won't be doing that again.
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01-14-26 | 04:06 PM
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That stack of multiple spring ('Belleville') washers on that right one considered normal practice?
Seems odd to me... I've always thought a single one was enough for the purpose, unless of course there's some discrepancy in dimensions needing shimming, not just tension....
Seems odd to me... I've always thought a single one was enough for the purpose, unless of course there's some discrepancy in dimensions needing shimming, not just tension....