Oh, man..... :rolleyes:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/270220336.html

Wrong on so many levels..

1" Pitch! I haven't heard that in YEARS! There's nothing sweeter than the sound of a 1" pitch.

Two weeks ago on Craigslist:
http://miami.craigslist.org/bik/258903027.html

Two days ago on Craigslist:
http://miami.craigslist.org/bik/270052189.html

Same person, same bike. But why the odd change in the story? You bought it for your sailboat cruise, or for your 14 year old daughter? Sounds like a poor fib to sell a bike.

Oh, and as usual - backwards fork.

-Kurt

You gotta stay with this long description until the end. It's an "all original" late '60s Raleigh Super Course, except for the stem--and the front wheel--and, oh yeah, the repainting. Huh?

Neal

http://cgi.ebay.com/1968-RALEIGH-SUP...QQcmdZViewItem

A little surprised to see stamped dropouts on a high end frame like that. When did forged dropouts become the norm on high end frames?

I don't think it was until the late 70s that Raleigh used a forged dropout on the Super Course, but then it wasn't it's high-end frame. Here's my 1972 Super Course's rear dropout--pretty much same stamped style. It's quite beefy, not the real thin steel of gaspipe frames.

Neal

http://web.mit.edu/nlerner/Public/Bi...perCourse4.jpg

Raleighs' gaspipe frames, or other manufacturers gaspipe frames, lol,,,,BD


You need a pic showing the thickness, those really look no thicker than any other stamped dropout? From that angle anyway. Weird thing is I have a frame or two made of "gaspipe" with really thick drops. But, by comparison is a 1980's Hutch BMX frame I found. I almost threw out the frame I found because it had really thin dropouts. Someone told me to check the brake
bridge, and there was the name stamped. The 73 Schwinn SS I just found has respectably thick drops. Maybe a 1/4 to 1/3
thicker than a normal Schwinn of the time.

This CL posting says it all. Who needs details?

Neal
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Green Bike - $10
Reply to: sale-270466161@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-01-29, 9:15PM EST


I have a green bike for sale. 145R

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/270466161.html

I'd buy it if it had decent tires. :)

Tricycle? Get your eyes checked, please. haha.,,,,BD

Not to mention the killer price. What a bargain!!

http://houston.craigslist.org/bik/270086845.html

Super Course is nothing but a high-zoot version of the Grand Prix - in other words, you're getting three main 531 tubes instead of the 2030 (big deal). Gran Sport also had the stamped drops.

I believe Raleigh put forged Suntour GS dropouts on the Grand Prix in 1978 or '79, when they went for double-butted 531 main tubes in place of the straight gauge stuff. Some of the red models after the Super Course went 700C still had the stamped drops though (although chromed).

-Kurt

Not mine. Don't have a closeup, but you can tell in this pic.

[IMG]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...2/P1260009.jpg[/IMG]

Thanks, my education continues. Found it on Sheldon's site, straight gauge 531 main tubes. Doesn't mention forks, but this seller claims 531 on that too.

Raleigh migrated to the Sun Tour dropouts in 1977. The SuperCourse still had straight gauge 531 in only the main tubes, and lost all it's chrome. The Grand Prix still had 20-30 tubing. I thought that in 1979, they started making both those models out of 555 tubing.

U.K.-market Super Courses after '83 are completely different beasts from what came to the U.S. previous to 1983 and after 1983 - don't even try to compare the three.


Sorry, John - I believe some of the '77 Super Courses came out there with the old stamped drops. Check completed eBay auctions, and you'll see.

Neither was the chrome lost - the SC model in the '77 catalouge (with forged drops) shows a fully chromed rear dropout. Production machines that I've seen simply have chrome on the actual "C" shaped section in where the Q/R skewer and nut clamps on to.

If I'm not mistaken either, the later models - at least by '81, don't know about earlier - went to double-butted 531 main tubes. Just check the specs for the SC in the '81 catalogue on my Headbadge site.

555SL was never used on a Nottingham or Worksop machine. Ever. 555SL came out in 1983, and was used exclusively on the Japanese and Taiwanese-made Raleigh models which were introduced the same year.

Take care,

-Kurt

Kurt,

I was basing my 1977 date on the SuperCourse I got from my uncle's shop in about November of 1977. Perhaps it was actually a 1978 model? It matches the 1978 catalog (no 1977 on Bulgier.net), except mine had a suede saddle. It did have the chrome on the "C" of the rear dropout, but not anywhere else that I can tell.

Here's my current favorite in Boston:

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/269762477.html

"You can find bikes that are not this good for alot more. " Where would that be, anyway?

And this is a Gran Sport, rather than any of the above. Did you get my PM? I've recieved some pics for the Campy Visual Database.

Yeah, and I wouldn't buy those, either!

Neal

there's a debate between numbskulls happening on my CL right now...i'm pasting the response posts because they'll get flagged:

original post:
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/271138028.html

reply 1:

Reply to: sale-271244286@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-01-31, 8:34AM PST


No he does know what he is talking about its not fully restored or brass plated it looks like you just used brass colored spray paint at least its not too over priced. Im not saying its a bad bike just that its not what you say it is!

reply 2:

Reply to: see below
Date: 2007-01-31, 9:26AM PST


copper tubing anybod? I have worked with many plumbers, and that bike is made from copper tubing and a few specially designed copper fittings. Interesting and old looking, but certainly not special unless you are a plumber.



copper tubing...:roflmao:

and the top tube and down tube are visibly bent from the collision that bent the fork. i sent him a heads up.

Well I don't know about copper tubing, or brass for that matter (wouldn't THAT make one heavy bike!), but this frame is practically identical to a Sears branded Steyr Clubman that I had back in 1974, and it was used pretty well when I got it.

Someone has been reposting this one on CL in Madison for months now. How about that plastic crow and janitor's bucket for a bold fashion statement!

http://madison.craigslist.org/bik/269288891.html

this was the reply i just got from him:

yes, that's right, he bent the fork during the "repair"

also of note is that when i saw the name "boyd" in my email i thought it looked familiar, and then remembered that this is the guy that sporadically offers "professional bike repair by a fully qualified mechanic" or something along those lines. should i take away his tools?

That has to be the most hideous thing I have ever seen (bikewise) in my life.

Please tell me they don't really make bartape like that, at least. =shudder= :eek: