Does anyone snipe on ebay?
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Originally Posted by JunkYardBike
I'm curious. How are sniping services superior to the ebay proxy bidding feature? Minimizes price inflation? Or is it all psychological?
Some confused folks do get caught up in auctions, like its a fun little game - so this also makes the proxy bidding process not really helpful to buyers.
You can snipe bid manually within 5 secs to end, no problem, by just watching the clock. The main benefit to snipe programs is they can enter a bid in your absence. Also, some of these snipe programs lets the buyer watch auctions without the seller knowing you're watching (the std ebay watch list tells sellers how many folks are watching their auction, which may affect their shilling actions).
If you're an informed, careful, frugal shopper you will find most auctions reach an unacceptably high bid point in the end, ending your interest in the auction and rendering your snipe bid strategy moot.
My advice to buyers is wait till the last moment to bid, then enter a bid that represents the max you're willing to pay - then win or lose, you're happy.
Anyone who complains about "losing to a sniper" either a. simply and rightfully lost to a higher bidder or b. lost to a shill bidder, in which case they are doubly better off for not winning.
The majority of ebay sellers are fair, decent folks - however, just like riding in traffic, you'd be foolish to not treat the situation with due respect for known hazards.
This works and it's free (deluxe is trialware, basic freeware works fine).
https://www.auction-sentry.com/
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I've had several instances where I've received a second chance offer immediately after the auction - almost assuredly the top bidder was a shill. You just have to never bid too high. In fact, I just like always bidding too low. Still buy stuff. Lose and go on to the next one. My pet peeve is with sellers pulling the listing when the bids haven't reached the level they want, eg. "error in the listing" or "item is no longer available for sale". Horse****. Still missing a few choice components cheap for my Gitane because of this practice.
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Originally Posted by Little Darwin
Once, while watching my proxy bid, I got an angry message from another bidder asking me to stop out-bidding them.
Every day, new evidence about the intelligence of some of eBay's denizens...
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Originally Posted by ilikebikes
Yeah, thats what I do, I just wait till the last few seconds then bid my highest bid sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt, but it usually does I dont need no stinking service LOL!
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Originally Posted by vpiuva
I've had several instances where I've received a second chance offer immediately after the auction - almost assuredly the top bidder was a shill.
Lately ebay has started the anonymous "private bidder" bids listing, making it impossible to use search features to try and sniff out a shiller. Ebay claims it's a security feature - well it is, for ebay and their customers, the sellers. "Private bidder" adds a negligible amount of security for buyers. I'm probably 100 times more likely to be defrauded by shillers than an nigerian prince, or whatever the scam du jour is.
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check out the bidders and bidding on the Panto SR Guerciotti, in the last hour now...
https://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=140085997641
view 'bidding details' to see what I mean.
https://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=140085997641
view 'bidding details' to see what I mean.
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I snagged this little beauty, by total luck, with one second left on an auction. I had been watching this bike for several days and had actually traveled over to the owner's house to check it out in person. I decided to snipe it manually. There was one other bidder who had made a bid about one day prior. I had done my homework and knew what I was willing to spend. When the time came to put my bid in my heart almost stopped beating when my browser froze up. With only seconds left to go, according to my wrist watch, I frantically opened another browser, signed in to ebay, clicked on the bike and typed in my bid as quickly as possible and hit submit and confirm. I was sure I had lost my chance to even bid on my rare dream bike. To my surprise I came up as high bidder and refreshed to see I had won the auction with one second to spare. The guys over on the Moto Guzzi V11 forum kept asking me how I had sniped that beauty with only one second to go. My answer? . . . skill, of course!
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Originally Posted by kemmer
The free accounts only let you snipe 10s before the end of the auction. That's plenty of time for someone to out snipe you.
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I always snipe manually - I use two tabs on Firefox, one with my bid entered and ready to go, the other, watching the clock. This way you can reliably hit the last 3-4 secs. I got outbid by a guy the other day, who had feedback of over 100, and I got an email from him saying "I'd been winning that all week, and then you had to try to steal it in the last seconds? You bloody idiot. Now I have to pay twice as much for it!". I was astonished. He still got a bargain.
Anyway, I didn't know there were sniping programmes that were free. Recently, I've missed out on several things because I couldn't be there at the end. That said, in the last two days, I've got cycling shoes for £2.20 and a bike for £11.50, even though I was out at the time.
Anyway, I didn't know there were sniping programmes that were free. Recently, I've missed out on several things because I couldn't be there at the end. That said, in the last two days, I've got cycling shoes for £2.20 and a bike for £11.50, even though I was out at the time.
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Originally Posted by Sammyboy
I always snipe manually - I use two tabs on Firefox, one with my bid entered and ready to go, the other, watching the clock. This way you can reliably hit the last 3-4 secs.
I now use the standalone Baygenie program. $15. Works great. Loads on my computer, so my passwords etc are secure. Good reliable reviews from Cnet.
When I was in college, I 'picked' antiques for wholesale resale to antique dealers. They taught me that when you go to an auction, you decide in advance what you will pay, if the bid goes higher, you let it go by.
That was good early training for eBay. No last second passions. Decide what you will bid, enter it into the sniping program, and go on with your life.
A very sane way to conduct business.
Two weeks ago I picked up a new Deore XT 8 spd cassette and a new HG70 8 spd cassette (both poorly described) for $20 US delivered. Yesterday I missed out on some Command shifters, which went for $9 more than my max last second bid.
If seized with a collector's frenzy, the sanity of this method quickly becomes irrelevant. Using a bidding program is a great tonic for this codependency.
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I do both manual and use a couple of different sniping programs. I usually set my limits and let it go. I watch a lot of stuff mainly for reference. The most recent one that blew my mind was a 1963 Sturmey Archer FW hubset and shifter in two separate auctions that went for close to $200 too rich for my blood!
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I do the same as Sammy (when I remember to watch what I'm bidding on).
Unless I REALLY need an item I'm usually content to bid my highest and let it go at
that, if I win fine, if not there will be another one listed tomorrow.
I don't think the Guerciotti auction is that unusual, and not a bad price for that bike.
The Bidder1. . .bidder2 thing is great for cutting down on fraudulent 2nd chance offers,
but it does hide shill bidders (on items over $100 ?).
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Unless I REALLY need an item I'm usually content to bid my highest and let it go at
that, if I win fine, if not there will be another one listed tomorrow.
I don't think the Guerciotti auction is that unusual, and not a bad price for that bike.
The Bidder1. . .bidder2 thing is great for cutting down on fraudulent 2nd chance offers,
but it does hide shill bidders (on items over $100 ?).
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Unless it's a Buy-it-now, I just wait and bid during the last 30 seconds or so. Whenever I bid on something early, someone always comes along and bids a bunch of times and the price creeps up and up. I've never tried one of the services, but I might have to now.
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Originally Posted by lotek
I do the same as Sammy (when I remember to watch what I'm bidding on).
Unless I REALLY need an item I'm usually content to bid my highest and let it go at
that, if I win fine, if not there will be another one listed tomorrow.
I don't think the Guerciotti auction is that unusual, and not a bad price for that bike.
The Bidder1. . .bidder2 thing is great for cutting down on fraudulent 2nd chance offers,
but it does hide shill bidders (on items over $100 ?).
Marty
Unless I REALLY need an item I'm usually content to bid my highest and let it go at
that, if I win fine, if not there will be another one listed tomorrow.
I don't think the Guerciotti auction is that unusual, and not a bad price for that bike.
The Bidder1. . .bidder2 thing is great for cutting down on fraudulent 2nd chance offers,
but it does hide shill bidders (on items over $100 ?).
Marty
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Bidder 4(who raised the bids about $200) in the Guerciotti auction had 100% activity with the seller.
I prefer the old system. I like to know who I am bidding against.
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Originally Posted by repechage
I think sniping is soon going to be mandatory to avoid being scammed. Right now it appears that items going over $100 or sometimes $200. convert to bidder by number, if you are lucky and make notes of who bid, prior to the conversion it gives you some information. What I have seen is as stated earlier, sellers who have "customers" who bid an item up, soon under the cloak of a number only. With this modification, soon planned to be used more extensively, sniping is the only tool to assist in being scammed.
With a proxy bid ebay style, your bid is auto ratcheded up to your max, as others bid against you. I see no advantage in placing a bid early, it actually seems to invite a bidding frenzy.
Some Nobel prize in the future will be awarded to the guy who writes the economic formula explaining it.
With a proxy bid ebay style, your bid is auto ratcheded up to your max, as others bid against you. I see no advantage in placing a bid early, it actually seems to invite a bidding frenzy.
Some Nobel prize in the future will be awarded to the guy who writes the economic formula explaining it.
no thanks.
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Yup, gotta snipe if you want to win the item. BUT... I like to do what I call a gentlemen's snipe, which is to make a low bid early showing interest in the item before sniping at the end. This way if someone else is interested in that item, they know they will have to outbid me for it. Then when I win it no one can complain that I sniped because I was there from the beginning. Started doing that because it really bothered me when it appeared that there was no interest in an item and suddenly in the last 2 minutes the bidding goes crazy and an item gets rudely stolen away by surprise. Play nice.
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Originally Posted by vpiuva
I've had several instances where I've received a second chance offer immediately after the auction - almost assuredly the top bidder was a shill.
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Originally Posted by OrangeOkie
When the time came to put my bid in my heart almost stopped beating when my browser froze up.
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Personally, I bid what I'm willing to pay as early as possible. A last-minute only wins if they pay more than what I thought it was worth.
When I sell, it's too annoying to get all the bids in the last few seconds, so I often offer discounted or free shipping if the winning bid is placed more than 24 hours before auction end. That way, I bone the "snipers," which makes me happy, because such last minute bidders dishonor real snipers.
When I sell, it's too annoying to get all the bids in the last few seconds, so I often offer discounted or free shipping if the winning bid is placed more than 24 hours before auction end. That way, I bone the "snipers," which makes me happy, because such last minute bidders dishonor real snipers.
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Originally Posted by Garandman
Personally, I bid what I'm willing to pay as early as possible. A last-minute only wins if they pay more than what I thought it was worth.
Originally Posted by Garandman
When I sell, it's too annoying to get all the bids in the last few seconds, so I often offer discounted or free shipping if the winning bid is placed more than 24 hours before auction end.
That way, I bone the "snipers," which makes me happy, because such last minute bidders dishonor real snipers.
That way, I bone the "snipers," which makes me happy, because such last minute bidders dishonor real snipers.
To sum up, you're buying high and selling low, and you probably sleep really good at night.
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