New Paramount P-15!
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Chrome Freak
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From: Kuna, ID
Bikes: 71 Chrome Paramount P13-9, 73 Opaque Blue Paramount P15, 74 Blue Mink Raleigh Pro, 91 Waterford Paramount, Holland Titanium x2
New Paramount P-15!
I received my 1973 Paramount P-15 the other day. It was being auctioned on Ebay by Bargainland, a mass marketer that claimed to be the third largest seller on Ebay. They had a dismal feedback percentage, just a bit above 90% positive. This was a risk, a big risk! The bid went pretty cheap, I won with a bid of $660. I paid by credit card just in case of a problem, crossed my fingers and waited.
It arrived in a reasonably nice carton, not at all well packed inside. There was some damage not likely caused by shipping such as a bent rear rim and bent Cinelli bars.
The before pictures can be viewed here:
https://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...amount%20P-15/
I spent yesterday cleaning it up. I put a set of Phil hubs with Super Champion rims on it that I got at a swap meet a couple of weeks ago. Everything was repacked and adjusted. The paint cleaned up pretty nice but has some scratches. I need a good touch up paint that matches Opaque Blue. I rode it up and down the block a few times last night and it feels pretty good. The brake clearance is SO large that none of my Campys will fit it, so I cleaned up the Weinmann brakes, put Kool Stop Continentals on it and some newer hoods. I installed another nice set of Cinell bars as a replacement for the bent ones. I also put a set of Schwinn Approved SunTour barcons on it, replacing standard SunTour barcons. Some black cloth tape and it was ready to ride!


It arrived in a reasonably nice carton, not at all well packed inside. There was some damage not likely caused by shipping such as a bent rear rim and bent Cinelli bars.
The before pictures can be viewed here:
https://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...amount%20P-15/
I spent yesterday cleaning it up. I put a set of Phil hubs with Super Champion rims on it that I got at a swap meet a couple of weeks ago. Everything was repacked and adjusted. The paint cleaned up pretty nice but has some scratches. I need a good touch up paint that matches Opaque Blue. I rode it up and down the block a few times last night and it feels pretty good. The brake clearance is SO large that none of my Campys will fit it, so I cleaned up the Weinmann brakes, put Kool Stop Continentals on it and some newer hoods. I installed another nice set of Cinell bars as a replacement for the bent ones. I also put a set of Schwinn Approved SunTour barcons on it, replacing standard SunTour barcons. Some black cloth tape and it was ready to ride!


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1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
Last edited by Rabid Koala; 04-08-07 at 03:29 PM.
#2
Man, she's a beaut and that was a great price. I think you are officially a paramount collector now.
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1 Super Record bike, 1 Nuovo Record bike, 1 Pista, 1 Road, 1 Cyclocross/Allrounder, 1 MTB, 1 Touring, 1 Fixed gear
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Isaiah 40:31
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Very nice! Congratulations!
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"I rejoice every time I see a woman ride by on a bike. It gives her a feeling of self-reliance and independence the moment she takes her seat; and away she goes, the picture of untrammelled womanhood." - Susan B. Anthony 1896
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I was watching that on just for the fun of it. It's good to see that a fellow C&Ver was able to snag it at such a good price!
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Chrome Freak
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From: Kuna, ID
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Thanks to all for the nice comments. I am probably going to eventually sell or part out my 72 P-13 as it is not an original paint job and has had braze ons added. It looks great with genuine Velographic decals, though. elieve it or not, I am going for some diversity here in my fleet. Having a P-15 will help quite a bit, as San Diego has no shortage of hills. This one will hopefully get me up Mt. Soledad, albeit slowly!
I didn't realize that there was so much difference in the frame geometry between models. Since I sold my Raleigh International when I got the chrome Paramount, I haven't really had a true touring frame. I like the riding position on the Paramount a bit better.
One other weird thing is the rear skewer had a Tipo nut on it. I didn't realize why, but now I know it is to fit better with the LeTour derailleur. I thought someone had changed it, but now I don't think so.
I didn't realize that there was so much difference in the frame geometry between models. Since I sold my Raleigh International when I got the chrome Paramount, I haven't really had a true touring frame. I like the riding position on the Paramount a bit better.
One other weird thing is the rear skewer had a Tipo nut on it. I didn't realize why, but now I know it is to fit better with the LeTour derailleur. I thought someone had changed it, but now I don't think so.
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1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
#7
Originally Posted by Rabid Koala
One other weird thing is the rear skewer had a Tipo nut on it. I didn't realize why, but now I know it is to fit better with the LeTour derailleur. I thought someone had changed it, but now I don't think so.
EDIT: Nevermind.
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1 Super Record bike, 1 Nuovo Record bike, 1 Pista, 1 Road, 1 Cyclocross/Allrounder, 1 MTB, 1 Touring, 1 Fixed gear
#8
I was watching that as well! I was shocked to see it go so low. I was set to bid but I was unsure on the frame size. It looked a bit to big for me and having purchased a chrome P-15 and having to sell it because it was too big, I did not want to go through it again. I am very glad to see someone here got it!
Great bike! No risk, no reward!
Great bike! No risk, no reward!
#9
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Chrome Freak
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I was set to bid but I was unsure on the frame size. It looked a bit to big for me and having purchased a chrome P-15 and having to sell it because it was too big, I did not want to go through it again. I am very glad to see someone here got it!
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1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
#10
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Very nice catch! I've always had a soft spot for Opaque Blue as my '72 Super Sport was that color.
If you've got hills, you'll learn to love the small chain ring on that triple.
If you've got hills, you'll learn to love the small chain ring on that triple.
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Originally Posted by beakgeek
Ahhhhhh....Mt Soledad. I commuted up that puppy for two years in 1983-84. The ride down the backside into LJ was smoking fast. Of course back in the day - no helmet.
Sweet purchase.
Sweet purchase.
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1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
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Originally Posted by beakgeek
Ahhhhhh....Mt Soledad. I commuted up that puppy for two years in 1983-84. The ride down the backside into LJ was smoking fast. ...
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
#14
I grew up in Navy Housing off of Mt. Soledad road. I can remember commuting around PB and not seeing other road cyclists in the late 70's early 80's. I worked at Sluggo's in La Jolla right by Wind -n- Sea. Used to ride to work, get off of work and go body-womping, then ride home.
Got t-boned in front of the Mr. Frosty Shop on Garnet Ave riding a 79 Bianchi with all Campi parts. I miss that bike.
Got t-boned in front of the Mr. Frosty Shop on Garnet Ave riding a 79 Bianchi with all Campi parts. I miss that bike.
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Sounds like you had the right attitude going into it. That seller looks super sketchy. Glad you got it. Looks pretty sweet.
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I grew up in Navy Housing off of Mt. Soledad road. I can remember commuting around PB and not seeing other road cyclists in the late 70's early 80's. I worked at Sluggo's in La Jolla right by Wind -n- Sea. Used to ride to work, get off of work and go body-womping, then ride home.
I was crushed when Sluggo's closed. That was in 1994, at least the one in UTC. I used to go to Mr. Frosty as a kid. I think they were about 20 cents. They still exist and look the same. Garnet Avenue is now home to mostly bars and tattoo parlors, to me that is sad. In the 60's and 70's it was still a pretty self sufficient community. Now you have to leave to get most anything other than drinks and tats.
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1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
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Update time.....
I have been out a few times on the new Paramount. First trip out, I used the original Regina chain and freewheel. That chain was so wide I had to trim the front derailleur every time I shifted the rear. I'm not used to riding a triple but that was no fun. I changed to a SRAM 8 speed chain which did wonders for the trim problem, but was too narrow for the Regina, as it would slip between shifts on the larger cogs. I switched the Regina out for a SunTour freewheel and it now rides and shifts like a dream.
This morning I rode it to the top of Mt. Soledad. I have tried that with a double and had to stop and rest. With the triple I rode straight up. The Kool Stops gave me confidence to go downhill, too. I would prefer Campy, but I think the reach necessary would be too long. At least the Kool Stops allow me to stop.
I was worried that the 25" frame would be too large, but it is VERY comfortable. If I were taking a long ride, this would be the bike.
All I have to do now is get the original wheels back in shape.

I have been out a few times on the new Paramount. First trip out, I used the original Regina chain and freewheel. That chain was so wide I had to trim the front derailleur every time I shifted the rear. I'm not used to riding a triple but that was no fun. I changed to a SRAM 8 speed chain which did wonders for the trim problem, but was too narrow for the Regina, as it would slip between shifts on the larger cogs. I switched the Regina out for a SunTour freewheel and it now rides and shifts like a dream.
This morning I rode it to the top of Mt. Soledad. I have tried that with a double and had to stop and rest. With the triple I rode straight up. The Kool Stops gave me confidence to go downhill, too. I would prefer Campy, but I think the reach necessary would be too long. At least the Kool Stops allow me to stop.
I was worried that the 25" frame would be too large, but it is VERY comfortable. If I were taking a long ride, this would be the bike.
All I have to do now is get the original wheels back in shape.

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1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
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Very nice. Congratulations.

I would love to see that bike with red handle bar tape and a white seat.!
I would love to see that bike with red handle bar tape and a white seat.!
Last edited by OrangeOkie; 05-05-07 at 04:48 PM.
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Freewheel Medic



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We must be about the same height or have the same inseam. That's about the same height on my 25" Paramount. It looks great!
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Enjoying the GA coast all year long!
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From: Kuna, ID
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Pastor Bob, I am about 6' 1" tall. My inseam is about 34, I can straddle this frame without, uh, hurting anything. By the "fist full of seatpost" rule it is too big, but my messed up neck and 49 year old body tell me otherwise.
My chrome Paramount is a 24" frame and I am comfortable on it as well. Both other bikes are at least 24" frames, too.
If you ever find yourself in San Diego, I'll have a choice of bikes that will fit you......
My chrome Paramount is a 24" frame and I am comfortable on it as well. Both other bikes are at least 24" frames, too.
If you ever find yourself in San Diego, I'll have a choice of bikes that will fit you......
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1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
#21
Freewheel Medic



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From: An Island on the Coast of GA!
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We are about the same height. Next trip west we'll come to San Diego! But I call the P-15! My 49 year old body REQUIRE all those gears!
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Enjoying the GA coast all year long!
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Thanks for visiting my website: www.freewheelspa.com
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Chrome Freak
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You got it!
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1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
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Fantastic! It's raining here today so those pictures are just what I needed!





