Olde Campy Questions
#1
Thread Starter
South Carolina Ed

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,908
Likes: 320
From: Greer, SC
Bikes: Holdsworth custom, Macario Pro, Ciocc San Cristobal, Viner Nemo, Cyfac Le Mythique, Giant TCR, Tommasso Mondial, Cyfac Etoile
Olde Campy Questions
Thanks ahead of time for sharing your knowledge. I am getting back into cycling and am fixing up my olde 1973 Holdsworth. Mom and dad had it custom made for me when I was 16 - lucky me, but it's been neglected for many years as I had a family, job etc.
1. I just bought a set of used 32h Nuovo Record hubs on Ebay and want to build tubular wheels. I weigh about 195 lbs and am a recreational rider. My understanding is that the new tubular rims are much stronger than the olds ones. Can I get away with 15 gage spokes, or should I use 14 gage or 14/15 double butted?
2. How does one convert a Nuovo Record rear hub from 120 to 126mm spacing? I had my frame cold set at 126 many years ago and put Athena hubs in it, and am wondering if I should just go back to a 5 speed freewheel.
3. What is the max tooth capability of a Nouvo Record rear derailleur? The area I live in is very hilly.
4. Can newer Record index-shifting derraileurs be used with friction shifters (w/o indexing)?
5. Can newer alloy Record (10 speed?) cranks be used with Nuovo Record bottom brackets and older 5, 6, 7 speed chains? If not, about when did the compatibility end? On Ebay, a lot of the old Record is dearer than most of the newer Record.
6. Can the old Nuovo Record brakes be made to stop better, by using newer pads?
7. Any suggestions on tubular tyres?
8. Any other suggestions for making my olde ride a dream on the road?
1. I just bought a set of used 32h Nuovo Record hubs on Ebay and want to build tubular wheels. I weigh about 195 lbs and am a recreational rider. My understanding is that the new tubular rims are much stronger than the olds ones. Can I get away with 15 gage spokes, or should I use 14 gage or 14/15 double butted?
2. How does one convert a Nuovo Record rear hub from 120 to 126mm spacing? I had my frame cold set at 126 many years ago and put Athena hubs in it, and am wondering if I should just go back to a 5 speed freewheel.
3. What is the max tooth capability of a Nouvo Record rear derailleur? The area I live in is very hilly.
4. Can newer Record index-shifting derraileurs be used with friction shifters (w/o indexing)?
5. Can newer alloy Record (10 speed?) cranks be used with Nuovo Record bottom brackets and older 5, 6, 7 speed chains? If not, about when did the compatibility end? On Ebay, a lot of the old Record is dearer than most of the newer Record.
6. Can the old Nuovo Record brakes be made to stop better, by using newer pads?
7. Any suggestions on tubular tyres?
8. Any other suggestions for making my olde ride a dream on the road?
#2
Thread Starter
South Carolina Ed

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,908
Likes: 320
From: Greer, SC
Bikes: Holdsworth custom, Macario Pro, Ciocc San Cristobal, Viner Nemo, Cyfac Le Mythique, Giant TCR, Tommasso Mondial, Cyfac Etoile
A question that I forgot to ask in the first post...Can newer Shimano bar end shifter be used with friction derailluers like Nuovo Record?
#3
feros ferio

Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 22,413
Likes: 1,878
From: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
Originally Posted by sced
1. I just bought a set of used 32h Nuovo Record hubs on Ebay and want to build tubular wheels. I weigh about 195 lbs and am a recreational rider. My understanding is that the new tubular rims are much stronger than the olds ones. Can I get away with 15 gage spokes, or should I use 14 gage or 14/15 double butted?
Originally Posted by sced
2. How does one convert a Nuovo Record rear hub from 120 to 126mm spacing? I had my frame cold set at 126 many years ago and put Athena hubs in it, and am wondering if I should just go back to a 5 speed freewheel.
Originally Posted by sced
3. What is the max tooth capability of a Nouvo Record rear derailleur? The area I live in is very hilly.
Originally Posted by sced
4. Can newer Record index-shifting derraileurs be used with friction shifters (w/o indexing)?
Originally Posted by sced
5. Can newer alloy Record (10 speed?) cranks be used with Nuovo Record bottom brackets and older 5, 6, 7 speed chains? If not, about when did the compatibility end? On Ebay, a lot of the old Record is dearer than most of the newer Record.

Originally Posted by sced
6. Can the old Nuovo Record brakes be made to stop better, by using newer pads?
Originally Posted by sced
8. Any other suggestions for making my olde ride a dream on the road?
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
#5
Thread Starter
South Carolina Ed

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,908
Likes: 320
From: Greer, SC
Bikes: Holdsworth custom, Macario Pro, Ciocc San Cristobal, Viner Nemo, Cyfac Le Mythique, Giant TCR, Tommasso Mondial, Cyfac Etoile
"Replace axle. Add 6mm right-side spacer. Increase dish by 3 mm."
I just look on Ebay and the listed axle lengths of 128.5, 129, 129.3, 132, and 136. Any suggestions about which would be for 126mm spaced dropouts"
Also, where would one find the 6mm spacer?
Thanks!
I just look on Ebay and the listed axle lengths of 128.5, 129, 129.3, 132, and 136. Any suggestions about which would be for 126mm spaced dropouts"
Also, where would one find the 6mm spacer?
Thanks!
#6
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 962
Likes: 30
1: any of those will probably work, although I always built with 14 ga.
2:use a five speed free wheel
3: about 28 teeth should be about the most you could use
4:Yes
5: It would probably work fine.
6: You mean they don't work OK now?
7: Don't use them for every day riding unless you like having difficult to properly repair flats on the road.
8: Build it up as stock as possible, and then ride it, ride it, RIDE IT!
2:use a five speed free wheel
3: about 28 teeth should be about the most you could use
4:Yes
5: It would probably work fine.
6: You mean they don't work OK now?
7: Don't use them for every day riding unless you like having difficult to properly repair flats on the road.
8: Build it up as stock as possible, and then ride it, ride it, RIDE IT!
#7
Thread Starter
South Carolina Ed

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,908
Likes: 320
From: Greer, SC
Bikes: Holdsworth custom, Macario Pro, Ciocc San Cristobal, Viner Nemo, Cyfac Le Mythique, Giant TCR, Tommasso Mondial, Cyfac Etoile
"7: Don't use them for every day riding unless you like having difficult to properly repair flats on the road."
It originally came with the legendary Super Champion Medaille D'Or (sp?) tubuar rims and was wondrous. As I recall for flats, I didn't have them often, but would carry a spare tire under the saddle held by a toe strap. Fixing flats was simply a matter of cutting them open with toenail scissors, fixing the puncture in the usual way, and then sewing them back up. Velox used to make a kit for the whole operation in a little orange tin.
What of the current rim rim tape versus glue? The old Velox rim tape wasn't very good.
It originally came with the legendary Super Champion Medaille D'Or (sp?) tubuar rims and was wondrous. As I recall for flats, I didn't have them often, but would carry a spare tire under the saddle held by a toe strap. Fixing flats was simply a matter of cutting them open with toenail scissors, fixing the puncture in the usual way, and then sewing them back up. Velox used to make a kit for the whole operation in a little orange tin.
What of the current rim rim tape versus glue? The old Velox rim tape wasn't very good.
#8
SLJ 6/8/65-5/2/07


Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,398
Likes: 20
From: SE Florida, USA aka the Treasure Coast
You'll get conflicting advice on rim tape. I've used the Tufo Extreme with good results. I'ne heard from good sources the regular Tufo tape should be avoided.
__________________
“Life is not one damned thing after another. Life is one damned thing over and over.”
Edna St. Vincent Millay
“Life is not one damned thing after another. Life is one damned thing over and over.”
Edna St. Vincent Millay
#9
Unique Vintage Steel



Joined: May 2005
Posts: 11,591
Likes: 287
From: Allen, TX
Bikes: Kirk Frameworks JKS-C, Serotta Nova, Gazelle AB-Frame, Fuji Team Issue, Surly Straggler
5. Can newer alloy Record (10 speed?) cranks be used with Nuovo Record bottom brackets and older 5, 6, 7 speed chains? If not, about when did the compatibility end? On Ebay, a lot of the old Record is dearer than most of the newer Record.
N.Record & S.Record BB's are longer than the spec for new 10sp Record square taper cranksets. Spec for the new cranksets is 102mm. Veloce/Centaur square taper cranks are speced for 111mm which is closer to the old spec length though.
Campagnolo - The original, and the correct replacement in many cases
We have a limited supply of the following NOS Campagnolo Record / NR / SR bottom brackets:
68-SS, BSC (114.5 mm, 1977-1987), Nouvo Record Strada, $159.00, BB-NR68SSB
68-SS. French (114.5 mm, 1977-1987), Nuovo Record Strada, $159.00, BB-NR68SSF
70-SS, Italian (115.5 mm, 1977-1987), Nuovo Record Strada, $179.00, BB-NR70SSI
68-SS-120, BSC (112 mm), Nuovo Record Strada, $199.00, BB-NR68SS120B
68-SS-120, French (112 mm), Nuovo Record Strada, $199.00, BB-NR68SS120F
70-SS-120, Italian (113 mm), Nuovo Record Strada, $219.00, BB-NR70SS120I
68-SS, BSC (114.5 mm, 1977-1987), Super Record Strada, $299.00, BB-SR68SSB
68-SS, French (114.5mm, 1977-1987), Super Record Strada, $299.00, BB-SR68SSF
We have a limited supply of the following NOS Campagnolo Record / NR / SR bottom brackets:
68-SS, BSC (114.5 mm, 1977-1987), Nouvo Record Strada, $159.00, BB-NR68SSB
68-SS. French (114.5 mm, 1977-1987), Nuovo Record Strada, $159.00, BB-NR68SSF
70-SS, Italian (115.5 mm, 1977-1987), Nuovo Record Strada, $179.00, BB-NR70SSI
68-SS-120, BSC (112 mm), Nuovo Record Strada, $199.00, BB-NR68SS120B
68-SS-120, French (112 mm), Nuovo Record Strada, $199.00, BB-NR68SS120F
70-SS-120, Italian (113 mm), Nuovo Record Strada, $219.00, BB-NR70SS120I
68-SS, BSC (114.5 mm, 1977-1987), Super Record Strada, $299.00, BB-SR68SSB
68-SS, French (114.5mm, 1977-1987), Super Record Strada, $299.00, BB-SR68SSF
#10
Since your frame is already cold set to 126mm, go ahead and use a 6 or 7 speed freewheel. There's really no reason not to use a 7 speed.
A standard NDS axle spacer is 5mm. Your LBS may give you one for free.
I would use 14/15 DB spokes. They are lighter and yes, stronger than straight 14 gauge spokes.
Older tubular rims work fine. If you're worried about your weight (I'm 200#) find something with a semi-aero profile. I ride old Super Champion box rims on the TdF, but have one bike with Araya Aero4 and one with Mavic Mach2 CD2. Both of those are semi-aero and presumably stronger. My guess is the CD2 would be easier and cheaper to find.
I run Vittoria Corsa EVO CX on 2 bikes and they are wonderful tires, but they do wear faster than the Hutchison Reflexes I have on the other. I've managed to buy them at reasonable prices off ebay.
I use glue. Haven't tried the tape.
A standard NDS axle spacer is 5mm. Your LBS may give you one for free.
I would use 14/15 DB spokes. They are lighter and yes, stronger than straight 14 gauge spokes.
Older tubular rims work fine. If you're worried about your weight (I'm 200#) find something with a semi-aero profile. I ride old Super Champion box rims on the TdF, but have one bike with Araya Aero4 and one with Mavic Mach2 CD2. Both of those are semi-aero and presumably stronger. My guess is the CD2 would be easier and cheaper to find.
I run Vittoria Corsa EVO CX on 2 bikes and they are wonderful tires, but they do wear faster than the Hutchison Reflexes I have on the other. I've managed to buy them at reasonable prices off ebay.

I use glue. Haven't tried the tape.
#11
Originally Posted by sced
5. Can newer alloy Record (10 speed?) cranks be used with Nuovo Record bottom brackets and older 5, 6, 7 speed chains? If not, about when did the compatibility end? On Ebay, a lot of the old Record is dearer than most of the newer Record.
__________________
1 Super Record bike, 1 Nuovo Record bike, 1 Pista, 1 Road, 1 Cyclocross/Allrounder, 1 MTB, 1 Touring, 1 Fixed gear
1 Super Record bike, 1 Nuovo Record bike, 1 Pista, 1 Road, 1 Cyclocross/Allrounder, 1 MTB, 1 Touring, 1 Fixed gear






