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Old 12-31-18, 07:03 AM
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Picked up this '85 Colorado FREE on CL. Serial prefix code G1285. I'll let the purists, pundits and hair-splitters decide whether it's a true "mixte". It does have a third set of stays, and the "top" tube is in line with the middle set of stays, and those stays and the "top" tube meet at the seat tube. So it's not just a step-through...

Given that the frame was manufactured in December 1985, it would be a 1986 model. There is a specific name for this style of frame but it escapes me at the moment.


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Update - the Expedition is a December '87, evidently made by Fairly:

Presuming this is the Fymm.... format from the "Asian Serial Number" thread.


No full-on shots, but this is the badging. Haven't had time to research what "Designed by Norco" indicates. Also a faint remnant of a "Made in Taiwan" sticker at the bottom of the seat tube. Label remnant just above that, but nothing left but the silver background, so I don't know if it's a frame material label, or a dealer sticker.


Bike is mostly stripped. Tioga BB, Tange Japan headset, Shimano FD-Z204 front der, code KK (Nov '86). Has some very cheap looking (i.e. dept store) Chang Star canti brake arms, but no cables or levers (no bar/stem even). It does have a Dia-Compe brake cable stop with release lever on the headset, which makes me wonder if that's what brand of brakes it originally had.


I think even the wheelset has been swapped. Araya single-wall rims, Joytech hubs, Shimano 6-speed freewheel. But the rear axle is 130mm, and the frame is most definitely a 126-er.

The serial number format is consistent with Fairly. Again, it's from late enough in 1987 that it would be a 1988 model.


Norco was the Canadian importer/distributor for Nishiki bicycles in the 1980s. The original Canadian distributor was Shields but Norco purchased the Canadian license sometime during 1978-1980. The license holder in each country designed/spec'd the bicycles to suit their own market. Consequently specifications and/or model names for Nishiki bicycles often vary from country to country.


The Expedition was an entry level ATB and some would argue that it was closer to a city bicycle. While I don't have 1988 specs. I do have 1989. That year's frame was hi-tensile steel with a CrMo seat tube. Specifying only the seat tube in CrMo was a fairly common practice. It allowed the manufacturer to place a CrMo tubing decal on the seat tube, leading many prospective buyers to assume that the entire frame was CrMo. The faded decal may be the tubing decal or the LBS decal.


The Chang Star brakes are likely OEM, as these were spec on the 1989 Expedition. The hanger may be an addition by the previous owner, as the 1989 had the stop built into the stem.


The wheelset is typical for the era and level of bicycle. If it has a triple crankset like the 1989 version, I'd expect a 130mm rear hub, as opposed to a 126mm. It wouldn't be the first time that an assembler forced a wheel into place, rather than send a frame back for proper cold-setting.
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Thanks for the excellent info on both bikes, T-Mar. I recall an old graphic, IIRC from Raleigh or perhaps one of the French companies, depicting various frame styles captioned with the names. And I vaguely recall that not-quite-mixte being called a "sport". Seems like an awfully generic name for a frame style, however.

The Colorado is a triple; no crankset on the Expedition, but based on another of your posts, the standard Z204 FD is for a double.. The Ex is most definitely 126mm, and I think some attempt was made to cold-set the Colorado, because it measures out at about 127-128mm. A 126 hub fits a bit loose, and a 130 requires some force. So I reckon you're right; both were probably assembled by... err.... coercion BITD.

The Ex has a Spinner fork, stamped 1987 and "HI TEN" on the steerer tube. So that would be consistent with the bike being hi-ten except for the seat tube.
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American Eagle 3 speed project

I was going to snatch the badge off this little bike, but I changed my mind and will give it some TLC.....It's an oldie for sure;-)


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^^^^^ Hey, it's pink! Did you post it in the color-of-the-month thread?
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^^ That's almost certainly from the last year of American Eagle production, as we have a Nishiki in the databse with a serial number that is only 8,602 units newer. The Nishiki brand was introduced for the 1972 model year, so it's likely a 1971 model. Thxs for posting.
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1984 Nishiki Riviera

Hi, I have an addition to the database.

Using the serial number info from your first post, mine looks to be a 1984 year model Riviera.

Serial Number KD08 077
AH stamped on Rear der. which also points to 1984 (from your link)
Strange codes on Cranks: 4D 2 and 4D 4 are stamped on the back of the crank arms which doesn't match up with any iteration of the Sugino date codes listed on your link







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Hi, I have an addition to the database.

Using the serial number info from your first post, mine looks to be a 1984 year model Riviera.

Serial Number KD08 077
AH stamped on Rear der. which also points to 1984 (from your link)
Strange codes on Cranks: 4D 2 and 4D 4 are stamped on the back of the crank arms which doesn't match up with any iteration of the Sugino date codes listed on your link[
While it is a 1984 serial number, it is a 1985 model. That style of Nishiki logo was only used on the 1985 models. Typically the manufacturers start building the new models around September. This is a good fit with the September component code and what may be an August serial number. Your bicycle was probably completed around. September-October.

Regarding the crank codes, Sugino was offering double and triple chainring versions of many models during this era. The D may indicate a double version but I'm not positive. The codes may represent February and April 1984.

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I have a Nishiki pro, which I believe were custom made by Kawamura for the Japanese market (I bought it in Japan). It is a .8 .5 .8 chromoly tubing, stamped "made by Kawamura" has mostly a Shimano Arabesque groupset, Early Dura ace hubs on tubular french rims and Dia compe G brake levers. The nice kicker is that it is the only chrome finish nishiki I have ever seen. The serial is M7320015. Is there anything that can be known from this serial number?

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I have a Nishiki pro, which I believe were custom made by Kawamura for the Japanese market (I bought it in Japan). It is a .8 .5 .8 chromoly tubing, stamped "made by Kawamura" has mostly a Shimano Arabesque groupset, Early Dura ace hubs on tubular french rims and Dia compe G brake levers. The nice kicker is that it is the only chrome finish nishiki I have ever seen. The serial is M7320015. Is there anything that can be known from this serial number?

Your serial number format is one of about four variation that have turned up on the USA market Nishiki ONP (Order Nishiki Professional). As implied, the ONP was a high end, special order (but not custom) frameset. These frames were built by eight hand selected craftsmen in a separate department of the factory. Your frame uses the same 0.8-0.5-0.8 (i.e. Tange #1 ) decal as seen on the ONP but used different dropouts and stay caps. I assume these are market dependent variations.


The format for the ONP appears to use the first two numerals as the year of manufacture. That would mean your frame was built in 1973. However, according to a magazine road test on the ONP, the project wasn't conceived until 1974 and the the first production frames were't manufactured until the 1976 model year. Circa 1973, the American market Professionals were being contract manufactured by Katakura, who have a different S/N format. Also, Shimano 600EX (aka Arabesque) didn't come out until the 1978 model year. All the evidence suggests it is later than 1973 and I'm thinking that the '3' is actually a partially stamped '8'? Does your bottom bracket shell have an 'N' cut-out or one that looks like four petals?
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T, that is a fantastic amount of information, most appreciated.

1973 could as well be the correct year. I purchased this bike in Japan while living there, it is quite possible that Kawamura was branding bikes “Nishiki Pro” before they got picked up for the overseas (U.S.) market. If so it is also possible that it was one of their custom works, I’m saying that because the sizing doesn’t fall within the normal spectrum you see on production bikes, 51.4cm seat tube, 52.7cm top tube, center to center. I think at the time you could walk into their shop an order a custom race bike from them. The parts smorgasbord is not much of a surprise either. I have seen a few Japanese bikes that got raced in the 70’s and 80’s, parts were swapped as they wore, upgraded as it became available, enjoyed every step of the way. The Shimano 600EX stuff would have been a significant upgrade from the early Shimano Crane derailleur.

I miss Japan and the bike shops around Tokyo. My daughter has a Ravanello bike; we visited the shop (which usually have old frames in display, a treat on its own right) and upon talking to the builder he sold us the frame that he built for his wife back in the day. She’s an old lady, not riding road bikes anymore so for a reasonable amount they factory painted it for us. We built that one up with a Dura Ace 7800 groupset and Mavic Ksyrium Tour de France edition wheelset. It rides like a dream.
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1973 could as well be the correct year....

Several other frame characteristics suggest 1978 as opposed to 1973, such as the top tube cable tunnels and what appear to be short dropouts and recessed brake nuts. None of these existed in 1973, even on top end Italian bicycles, but they would be appropriate for 1978. I can't tell if it has bottle bosses but it looks like they may be present. Some better pictures may provide further insight; rear dropouts without wheel mounted, bottom bracket showing cut-out (if any), head lugs, head badge, any decals.
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