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Old 02-24-08 | 01:52 AM
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I imagine the Brooks company is quite happy with the state of the U.S. dollar.

They probably buy a lot of raw hide from the U.S.
Unfortunately we can buy our high quality hides only in Belgium since many decades and the Euro is going up against the Pound Sterling!
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Old 02-24-08 | 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by donnamb
You've said it best, Chip.


I got to see one at NAHBS. Not my cup of tea, but it was very striking.


+1. Very cool.

There is a local bike shop where I live that has a "Wall" of Brooks saddles on display. They say that's not all the saddles Brooks makes, but it looks close enough to me. It's quite a sight. I think you should list shops that have a similar display on your web site. Brooks aficionados would visit them just to see such a thing. Even if it doesn't result in direct sales of your saddles, it sure would be good PR for those shops.
We just started a program called "Dealers of Excellence" which is aimed at that. We will rate dealers from 0 to 6 rivets. Those with at least 4 rivets will have pictures of their shops on our website and a direct link to their website. We hope dealers will submit pictures of their shops, as we cannot visit all of them!
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Old 02-24-08 | 02:04 AM
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Well, I'd love to be able to nominate my LBS for that.
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Old 02-24-08 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by A.Winthrop
Hi,
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I wonder if your webmaster might consider making your site
Lynx-compatible. Lynx is the text-only browser. It is used
for research by academics and MANY journalists (like me)
and others because it is much faster than graphical browsers.
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I am told that making a site Lynx-compatible is simple and
inexpensive but have no clue how it is done. I only use
Lynx and I can assure you I almost never run into a site
that is not Lynx-compatible, though some are not Lynx-
optimized.
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Your site is one of the very few I've come across in the
last decade that is completely Lynx-INcompatible. And that
is sad because I LOVE Brooks saddles. Four of them now adorn
two Schwinn Paramounts ('68 P-15, '72 P-13) and two Rene'
Herse "Light Weights" hanging around my house.
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Lynx-compatible or not, thanks for opening up Brooks to
feedback.
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PS - This post was written from my Lynx browser.
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Thanks, I didn't know. Sure we need to address this need, as Linux is becoming more popular.
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Linux and Lynx are two different things.

Linux is an operating system, Lynx is a browser, just one that does not show pictures or Flash.
When you remove the flash opening page, his issue will be partly addressed, it's what prevents him from navigating the rest of the site.
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Old 02-24-08 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles Wahl
I think that vanity marketing would help popularize a product line that's clearly superior on technical merits, and long term value.

How about a "logo" saddle, with the logo in a repeat pattern, like designer handbags. Not my cup of tay (I don't own any designer handbags, and eschew clothing with logos), but I'll bet that they'd be very popular with a lot of people. Also colors other than white: red, yellow, blue, gray (I know there are some of these). Ben Day dot patterns and other graphics that could be achieved easily with dye, or embossing. I have one of the out-of-production B5N saddles with a pebbled top surface -- very nice in my opinion.
NOOOOOOOOO!!! i hate logos on everything.
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Old 02-24-08 | 11:09 PM
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NOOOOOOOOO!!! i hate logos on everything.
+1. Logos = Yuck
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Hello, I recently bought a chopped Brooks Professional on craigslist and was wondering if anyone could help me identify it. Underneath is "063" or "0G3". This professional has the medium copper rivets. The nose of the tensioner is also copper. The back nameplate says "BROOKS" with "England" below it and the nameplate itself, is copper color. Also I believe the rails are chrome. Other than that I don't know much about it. I'm wondering why the rivets are the medium size and why the nameplate is copper. Is anyone out there familiar with this distinct professional model.
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Old 02-25-08 | 02:22 AM
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Hello, I recently bought a chopped Brooks Professional on craigslist and was wondering if anyone could help me identify it. Underneath is "063" or "0G3". This professional has the medium copper rivets. The nose of the tensioner is also copper. The back nameplate says "BROOKS" with "England" below it and the nameplate itself, is copper color. Also I believe the rails are chrome. Other than that I don't know much about it. I'm wondering why the rivets are the medium size and why the nameplate is copper. Is anyone out there familiar with this distinct professional model.
OG3 means it was made in July (G) 2003 (03).
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Originally Posted by pumpy schwartz
that would look so nice on the paramount i'm building ...
I could put one on my "Team USA red-white-and-blue" Schwinn mountain bike and move its Team Pro to one of the Capos.
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I'm sure this will be anathema to many of you, so I'll preface it by saying I've had leather saddles on pretty much all my bikes since the 70's, have worn out three of them, including a '79 Brooks Pro and a '83 Fujita Pro, which I recently replaced with a B-17 because it got too broken in!

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I, for one, would be interested in a version of the B-17 in synthetic leather; something a little less precious, a little more weatherproof, and... well, something that doesn't break in! My B-17 was comfy from the day I got it, which was also true of the others... but as they softened up, they changed and became less comfortable.

I also wish Brooks (or anyone) would make replacement covers for the non-leather saddles that came on old English bikes. I have three old white saddles from ca. 1970 Raleighs, with indestructable steel frames and springs, and covers too worn and cracked to use. The covers are clearly removable and replaceable; but how does one get a replacement?

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Thanks Andrea for the info. Do you know why this team pro has the medium size copper rivets rather than the larger rivets. Also the copper name plate?
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Originally Posted by JBaldauff
Thanks Andrea for the info. Do you know why this team pro has the medium size copper rivets rather than the larger rivets. Also the copper name plate?
Not really. Can you read the production lot stamped on the underside of the leather? It is a sequence of number, letter, number (ex. 9D8)
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Not really. Can you read the production lot stamped on the underside of the leather? It is a sequence of number, letter, number (ex. 9D8)
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Sorry Andrea,
this is the same as the above question. The stamp is "0G3". My main questions is just why this has the medium rivets. Do some professionals come with the medium rivets randomly or is there a specific reason for this...Thanks!
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Sorry Andrea,
this is the same as the above question. The stamp is "0G3". My main questions is just why this has the medium rivets. Do some professionals come with the medium rivets randomly or is there a specific reason for this...Thanks!
In 2003 we had just bought the company and it was a big mess. It took us a couple of years to reorganize the works in Birmingham. Knowing the workers and the managers there I'd probably guess they had run out of large rivets and used the medium. It probably is a "mistake", but certainly your saddle is worth collecting as a "one of a kind"!
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In 2003 we had just bought the company and it was a big mess. It took us a couple of years to reorganize the works in Birmingham. Knowing the workers and the managers there I'd probably guess they had run out of large rivets and used the medium. It probably is a "mistake", but certainly your saddle is worth collecting as a "one of a kind"!
Only Team Professionals were fitted with large rivets (17mm.). Professional 'S' and Team Professional 'S' were fitted with medium rivets (13mm.), and Standard Professionals were fitted with small (12.5mm.). I'd suggest that these 'one of a kind' are nothing of the sort - probably Standards, and with small, not medium, rivets?
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Originally Posted by tony colegrave
Only Team Professionals were fitted with large rivets (17mm.).
Tony should know. He has been repairing Brooks saddles in the U.K. for a couple of decades.
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As I've seen many of you are interested in Brooks Saddles, I start a new thread to discuss the content of our website. We are planning to restyle it, so I'd like to get suggestions from you on the things you like and those you don't like of the current pages.
We'd like the website to be more interactive, what do you think of sections like the "People and Their Stories"? Should we have a section for videos from "Brooks Cyclists"? What about a section on the bicycles from the NHMBS (National Hand Made Bicycle Show)?

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What about People and their saddles? So many of us have Brooks Saddles from all the years gone by. It would be interesting to see what their saddles look like now and how they've lasted over time. Kind of like a time capsule of Brooks Saddles. Just a thought.



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Team professional?

Originally Posted by tony colegrave
Only Team Professionals were fitted with large rivets (17mm.). Professional 'S' and Team Professional 'S' were fitted with medium rivets (13mm.), and Standard Professionals were fitted with small (12.5mm.). I'd suggest that these 'one of a kind' are nothing of the sort - probably Standards, and with small, not medium, rivets?
Hi Tony,
Thanks for the insight but this model is not a Professional S. I have a team professional with the large copper rivets and both saddles are the same length and width meaning that the saddle with the medium rivets is not a woman's model. So any other thoughts on its origin? Thanks!
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>>> Mhendricks - What about People and their saddles?

I'm planning to organize the current "People and Their Stories" by theme. Sure we can make one or more categories about used, collection and butchered saddles...
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Originally Posted by tony colegrave
Only Team Professionals were fitted with large rivets (17mm.). Professional 'S' and Team Professional 'S' were fitted with medium rivets (13mm.), and Standard Professionals were fitted with small (12.5mm.). I'd suggest that these 'one of a kind' are nothing of the sort - probably Standards, and with small, not medium, rivets?
Does this only apply to the new saddles? I have a 1980 professional select with the large rivets. At least I think that is what it is called.
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lovely avatar, andrea...and your birfday is 2 weeks after mine!
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lovely avatar, andrea...and your birfday is 2 weeks after mine!
and only 3 days after mine.
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>>> Mhendricks - What about People and their saddles?

I'm planning to organize the current "People and Their Stories" by theme. Sure we can make one or more categories about used, collection and butchered saddles...
I guess what I meant by "People and their Saddles" is "What places have these saddles taken you to?" or "How many miles or How many bikes has this saddle been on?" Like for me, that Brooks Pro that I showed has lasted longer than the 5 bikes it was on, has traveled to 5 countries, at has seen 10's of thousand of miles" Something like that.
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Originally Posted by Mhendricks
I guess what I meant by "People and their Saddles" is "What places have these saddles taken you to?" or "How many miles or How many bikes has this saddle been on?" Like for me, that Brooks Pro that I showed has lasted longer than the 5 bikes it was on, has traveled to 5 countries, at has seen 10's of thousand of miles" Something like that.
Actually the current section "People and Their Stories" already features this type of content and more, but everything is rather mixed. There are stories and pictures about trips, but also stories about the longevity of BROOKS Saddles: two years ago an old Englishman wrote us he has used his B17 for 68 years, now probably 70, if he is still alive!
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