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Old 07-06-09, 06:16 PM
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Panthers007,

Although I just turned 55, and have gone to riser bars, I wouldn't trade mine for anything! (under 4 figures that is, c'mon!) No, really it's 30 years and 1000's of miles old and just gets better. Last week on ebay I actually found a new cassette for the 1979 Shimano uniglide hub and cogs. I just used my spacers, 3 screws and it is amazing. PGMikeT
The ones that wobbled in my doors had no such luck. They were cursed machines with steel-wheels. I took a few down to the frame - cleaned everything and repacked/adjusted all the bearings - adjusted everything absolutely perfect as it could be, and their owners were still stuck in the road because the Slowgun was glued to the spot!

I never saw any of them that cost more than around $300 though. Perhaps any upper-tier Slowgun was good. According to your testimony - they exist. I'd love to get a chance to take a look & ride on one of these.

Thanks for the picture!
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I've been really happy with the Shogun I posted questions about a few months ago in this thread. I don't know what the model number is, but it's a Tange #5 frame with the crappy stamped rear dropouts, no built in rear derailleur hanger, no micro-adjusts. As my first bike mechanic project I built it up with Ebay'd Campy Centaur and a bike swap'd 700c Velocity wheelset. Seems plenty fast to me, though I admit I wouldn't call myself an extremely experienced rider, so maybe I have low expectations. Here's how it looks now.
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I just bought a Shogun 400 today, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me what year it is.
The serial number is M1F34012.
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I just got a Shogun and need some info. The serial number is S9P0072. The tubing type decal is faded bad and can not be read. Can anyone help identify the year and if the frame is chrome moly? The components are a little funky. The brakes are Tourney, the front and rear derailleurs are Altus. I thought Altus was a MB part? The crank is a Takagi. The shifters (Shimano) look to be mounted on the handlebar stem (they were removed). The cable guides are all clamped on. The levers are Shimano Dee 50 and the handle bars are ALP Champion. The stem is Ace.

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Brad54, Sorry for the delayed reply, as I try to stay in touch with all who post to this thread. Pictures would help alot. If you saw my 1979 above, I put altus shifters on the riser bars,'cause that was what I had sitting on the bench at the time. I am glad to report that I'm over that phase and have returned to the drop bars with 600 downtube shifters.My serial # is M9J20734 or October 1979 frame date. PGMikeT p.s sorry about the busy background of my way overcrowded garage bench, outdoor pics soon...
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I just bought a Shogun 400 today, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me what year it is.
The serial number is M1F34012.
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Most likely 1981. The serial number won't tell you the decade, only the year (and month). You have to dertermine the decade via frame features and/or components. So if you could post a good, drive side pic or list the brand and models of the major components....
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Hi all
New to forum
I just got a Shogun and need some info. The serial number is S9P0072. The tubing type decal is faded bad and can not be read. Can anyone help identify the year and if the frame is chrome moly? The components are a little funky. The brakes are Tourney, the front and rear derailleurs are Altus. I thought Altus was a MB part? The crank is a Takagi. The shifters (Shimano) look to be mounted on the handlebar stem (they were removed). The cable guides are all clamped on. The levers are Shimano Dee 50 and the handle bars are ALP Champion. The stem is Ace.

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Yes, hopefully you're still following this thread. Based on the components and serial number it should have been manufactured around the end of August 1979, which makes it late enough in the year that it may be a 1980 model. To detrermine the tubing, we;d have to know the dameter of the seast post. Given the era and level of components, it is most likely plain gauge CrMo.
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Yes, hopefully you're still following this thread. Based on the components and serial number it should have been manufactured around the end of August 1979, which makes it late enough in the year that it may be a 1980 model. To detrermine the tubing, we;d have to know the dameter of the seast post. Given the era and level of components, it is most likely plain gauge CrMo.
T-Mar, your knowledge of Japanese steel (and much more I'm sure) never ceases to amaze me. I replaced the SR LaPrade seatpost with my Stronglight when I first got my Shogun. The Stronglight is a 26.2. The exact tubing is really irrelevent, but any new info is always appreciated. The binder bolt is closed completely to clamp the 26.2 and my guess is the SR was a 26.6 or 26.8. Thanks, PGMikeT
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Old 08-11-09, 09:24 PM
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T-Mar Thanks for the info. I will have to get back to you tomorrow on the seat post size. Does anyone have a source for Shogun decals? I have pics of the decals.
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Old 08-12-09, 01:17 AM
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Thanks, and I'll try to post some pictures ASAP.
The only one I have at the moment is the one from the seller's craigslist ad.
This is it:


According to one of my friends, that is probably not the original crank, but I really have no idea.
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Thanks, and I'll try to post some pictures ASAP.
The only one I have at the moment is the one from the seller's craigslist ad.
According to one of my friends, that is probably not the original crank, but I really have no idea.
Yes, definitely a 1981. As for the crankset, it appears to be a Sugno Aero Tour (TAT), in which case it is not original, as that crankset had not even been introduced in 1981. It was the first triple crankset with a 74mm BCD, allowing inner chainrings down to 24T. It was revoluntionary, when it first came out.
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Hi T-Mar
I measured the tubing and it is 1 " or 25.4mm. I am guessing it is the standard tubing
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alaska_x That bike looks great. The one I have was in pieces. I am in the process of painting it. I will post pics when I get it done.
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Hi T-Mar
I measured the tubing and it is 1 " or 25.4mm. I am guessing it is the standard tubing
Thanks Brad
Yes, that diameter is indicative of hi-tensile stee.
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alaska_x That bike looks great. The one I have was in pieces. I am in the process of painting it. I will post pics when I get it done.
Thanks!
So far I haven't had much trouble with it.
I rode about 20-25 miles yesterday, and the only trouble I had was some squeaking and some other sound that went away when I pulled the left gear lever down.
I'm not really sure why it was making that noise, but was planning on taking it in to get a tune-up anyway, so I'll ask the bike-geniuses to check it out.
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Old 08-17-09, 06:32 PM
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do you guys know where to get shogun downtube decals for my samurai?
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Old 08-19-09, 07:02 PM
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Finally adding mine to the database:

M5K56635

Shogun 600. Double butted, Tange 900 chro-moly tubing.

Shimano 105 "Golden Arrow" derailleurs and shifters
Shimano hubs with chrome 700c Araya rims (alloy)
Shimano freewheel
Dia Compe brake calipers retrofitted with Tektro brake levers
Sakae SA cranks with KKT pedals
Sugino seatpost
Terry Liberator X saddle

No, it's not my size. Seat tube measures 42 (ctc) and top tube is 52 (ctc). I'd say that the relative seat tube length is more like a 49 (if it were a straight top tube). Just been residing in the basement and heading out the door soon. It's pretty impressive to me! I'd keep it, if it were my size.

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Finally adding mine to the database:

M5K56635

Shogun 600. Double butted, Tange 900 chro-moly tubing.

Shimano 105 "Golden Arrow" derailleurs and shifters
Shimano hubs with chrome 700c Araya rims (alloy)
Shimano freewheel
Dia Compe brake calipers retrofitted with Tektro brake levers
Sakae SA cranks with KKT pedals
Sugino seatpost
Terry Liberator X saddle

No, it's not my size. Seat tube measures 42 (ctc) and top tube is 52 (ctc). I'd say that the relative seat tube length is more like a 49 (if it were a straight top tube). Just been residing in the basement and heading out the door soon. It's pretty impressive to me! I'd keep it, if it were my size.

Cheers!
Well, I would have guessed 1985 based on the components and serial number, but I have the specs and nothing matches. Maybe a 1986 manufactured in late (November)1985?
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Okay, two more for the DB, both mixtes, bought a week apart in Ohio (from original owner) and Michigan respectively. First up, the one I would have thought was the older (and yes I know the front wheel's backwards):





Shogun 400, 19 1/2" mixte frame
SN S555534
Riveted headbadge, 'S' on seatstay lugs
Tange 900 frame, 'Tangaloy' fork, Tange headset
Sakae cranks, SR pedals
Shimano brakes, 'JD' code on calipers indicates April '85 I think ?
Shimano derailleurs, no model name
Araya rims on Shimano hubs, 6 sp cassette
SR stem, replaced bars, replaced saddle

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Old 09-12-09, 10:26 AM
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Next the one from Michigan, not quite as clean and with the decals a bit overdone. I'd have thought this was later, in an 80s way, but maybe not:




Shogun 400, 22" (to top of seat tube) mixte frame
SN S3E7119
Decal headbadge, decals all over the place inc 'Cr-Mo' on top tubes
NO 'S' on seatstay lugs
Champion #5 frame, 'Tangaloy' fork
Tange headset
Takagi cranks, SR pedals
Shimano Altus derailleur set
Shimano Tourney brakes
Araya Rims on Shimano hubs, 6 sp cassette
SR Stem, Alps bars

This bike needs a couple of things but the 'big' 22" frame suits my long legged wife. There is one design flaw, which is that the rear brake placement makes it easy for the QR lever to be hit with one's heel while pedaling. I may just take it off.

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Where the heck are the serial numbers lol? sorry this is my first upright bike. Been riding a recumbent. All i know about mine is that is has shimano 600 brakes (brake handels say 600 but actual brakes say tourny) and front der. The rear der is a suntrou BL. Crank is a tourny. Its got down tube shifters and is a 12 speed. Its got eyelets on rear and front forks and has guides for the cables. The only stickers on the bike are 2 shogun ones and a "japan" ones. The others have been taken off before i got the bike. Im looking for where to read the serial number on the bike and any info on the kind of frame, model, year etc. Im excited to learn about my new bike. I only own 2 bikes now....only 2 bikes since ive had sine i was like 12 lol

edit: says SR on seat post and headset. Also ive seen someone site a measurement of the circumfrence of the seat tube. Mine is about 9.4cm. Also Mavic 700c rims.

Found serial # M9D02852
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Serial # is likely on the bottom of the bottom bracket.
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Based on the serial number, it should be a 1979 model. The rear derailleur is an obvious replacement for the original 600EX. It is almost certainly a Shogun 1000 given the 600EX components. Shogun literature typically did not supply info as to the manufacturer of the frame tubing. Given the level of components is should be CrMo and most liked butted. The diameter of the seat post would aid in confirming this. Remove the post and there there should be a stamping below the insertion mark. It should be somewhere in the 26.3 to 26.8 range.

BTW, drive side pics are preferred, as this allows us to see the crankset and derailleurs, which are valuble. aids in determing year, level, value, etc.
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Chicago AL, the serial number and components on your yellow and blue Shogun 400 point towards 1983, while the other should be a 1985. BTW, those are Z-series derailleurs on the 1985. There should be a part number on the back, either RD-Z505-GS or RD-Z503-GS
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Thank you for the info. This was the sellers pic. I will take a better picture today of the drive side. Also i have no idea which are the higher end or lower end shoguns. What is the 1000? And wow sure enough i took the seat post off...and it says 26.8 1979 Japan.

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Thank you for the info. This was the sellers pic. I will take a better picture today of the drive side. Also i have no idea which are the higher end or lower end shoguns. What is the 1000? And wow sure enough i took the seat post off...and it says 26.8 1979 Japan.
26.8mm confirms CrMo tubing. Most likely a Tange set. Unfortunately, you can't tell if it is plain gauge or butted without a tubeset decal, as Tange used the same size seatpost for most of their tubesets.

600EX equipped bicycles are generally considered mid-range, which is where I would place the Shogun 1000. With Shogun, as the model numbers increase, so does the level. Offhand, I recall at leadt 3 models above the 1000. Later on, they switched to model names, making the hierarchy a little murkier, without knowing tubesets and components.
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