Another aging story
#26
Port




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I get this sent to me every Sept -and it always makes me feel old.
https://www.beloit.edu/publicaffairs/mindset/
https://www.beloit.edu/publicaffairs/mindset/
#27
Bottecchia fan

Joined: Aug 2003
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
Bikes: 1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo (frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame), 1974 Peugeot UO-8
30 speeds? Dual-suspension? Have the biking conditions changed that much over the span of 40 years?
I don't ride hilly terrain, but there hasn't been a situation thus far (in my 1 month old bike experience) where I needed a gear unavailable on the 10-speed. Maybe this is just inexperience/ignorance, but the ten speeds available seem to cover the gamut pretty well. It's definitely not an age thing (born in '88).
I don't ride hilly terrain, but there hasn't been a situation thus far (in my 1 month old bike experience) where I needed a gear unavailable on the 10-speed. Maybe this is just inexperience/ignorance, but the ten speeds available seem to cover the gamut pretty well. It's definitely not an age thing (born in '88).
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1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
#28
Bottecchia fan

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,520
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
Bikes: 1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo (frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame), 1974 Peugeot UO-8
Kid: "What's a record?"
Parent: "It's like a CD but black with grooves on it."
Kid: "What's a CD?"
Parent: "That's the things we had before iPods...oh get away kid and quit bothering us"
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1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
#29
Bottecchia fan

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,520
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
Bikes: 1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo (frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame), 1974 Peugeot UO-8
Many years ago now, when I was 27, I had just gotten out of the army and moved back to my hometown. One Friday evening my cousin, who was around 19 and whom I probably hadn't talked to since she was 13 or so, called and asked if I wanted to hit a few clubs with her and some of her freinds. Well it sounded like a good idea, especially since I had been gone so long and didn't know the night scene any more so I agreed and off we went. So we're in this dance club and I'm just chillin' and talking to Niki and her girlfreind when a guy walks up and asks if either of them would like to dance. They both politely declined but after the guy walked away they busted up laughing..."Can you believe that old guy asked us to dance??!!" they exclaimed. I glanced over at the guy again who was now on the other side of the room. "Hmmm", I thought, "he doesn't look that old...certainly not any older than me"...DOH! I didn't go out with them too much after that
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1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
#31
Bottecchia fan

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,520
Likes: 12
From: Colorado Springs, CO
Bikes: 1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo (frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame), 1974 Peugeot UO-8
That's nothing, I met one in his forties or fifties who didn't either and when I explained that Sheldon Brown had complete instructions online for doing exactly what he was telling me couldn't be done he told me he didn't put much stock in anything some old internet bike mechanic said. I didn't get the work done there.
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1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
#32
Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 252
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From: Milwaukee WI
Bikes: Schwinn Traveler, Chimo Concourse, Next mountain bike, all crap!
30 speeds? Dual-suspension? Have the biking conditions changed that much over the span of 40 years?
I don't ride hilly terrain, but there hasn't been a situation thus far (in my 1 month old bike experience) where I needed a gear unavailable on the 10-speed. Maybe this is just inexperience/ignorance, but the ten speeds available seem to cover the gamut pretty well. It's definitely not an age thing (born in '88).
I don't ride hilly terrain, but there hasn't been a situation thus far (in my 1 month old bike experience) where I needed a gear unavailable on the 10-speed. Maybe this is just inexperience/ignorance, but the ten speeds available seem to cover the gamut pretty well. It's definitely not an age thing (born in '88).
I am perfectly happy with my 10 and 12 speed bikes with friction shifters also. And my mountain bike has such a large spread on the wheel cluster that I never have had to shift the front derailler off the big gear.
#34
Bottecchia fan

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,520
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
Bikes: 1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo (frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame), 1974 Peugeot UO-8
Huh? What kind of mountains do they have where you live? You ride on a 42-44t big ring all the time? I have an 11-34 cassette and I ride the 32t middle ring most of the time but there are definately times when I need that 22t granny ring. I hardly ever use the 42t unless I'm on a paved road.
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1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
#35
Bottecchia fan

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,520
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
Bikes: 1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo (frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame), 1974 Peugeot UO-8
I can remember when everybody called a manual transmission a "standard transmission" since automatics were options on almost everything.
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1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
#36
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Joined: Dec 2005
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From: Ashland, VA
Bikes: The keepers: 1969 Magneet Sprint, 1971 Gitane Tour de France, 1973 Raleigh Twenty, 3 - 1986 Rossins.
OK, the experience can go both ways:
Back in the fall of 2005, when I'd just picked up my first bike to return to the sport after a complete 28-year absence (and I mean COMPLETE, I'd never heard of Greg LeMond, etc.), I start tearing the Raleigh down for a complete repaint and rebuild. Having given my tools away twenty years earlier, I dropped by a LBS about a half mile from work in the hopes that the mechanic there could press out the crank cotter for me.
I walk into the store and am immediate gobsmacked by 28 years of changing technology. Well, they had two wheels, I guess that funny shaped thing is a frame, I recognize handlebars, can't find any shift levers, and there is a seat, so I guess they're bicycles.
And then I realize that the kid behind the counter is looking at my Raleigh frame with equal amazement. Turns out he'd never seen a cottered crank before.
Postscript: Over the past four years, said LBS has turned out to be a decent place to deal with, the head mechanic started wrenching bikes back when I did and was a wonderful font of information during the year or so it took me to catch up, and the kid behind the desk is a fairly constant riding partner. And yeah, they know me well enough to know they're never going to sell me a complete bike. They were completely amazed the day I came in and said I wanted to look at the Raleigh Sojurn.
Back in the fall of 2005, when I'd just picked up my first bike to return to the sport after a complete 28-year absence (and I mean COMPLETE, I'd never heard of Greg LeMond, etc.), I start tearing the Raleigh down for a complete repaint and rebuild. Having given my tools away twenty years earlier, I dropped by a LBS about a half mile from work in the hopes that the mechanic there could press out the crank cotter for me.
I walk into the store and am immediate gobsmacked by 28 years of changing technology. Well, they had two wheels, I guess that funny shaped thing is a frame, I recognize handlebars, can't find any shift levers, and there is a seat, so I guess they're bicycles.
And then I realize that the kid behind the counter is looking at my Raleigh frame with equal amazement. Turns out he'd never seen a cottered crank before.
Postscript: Over the past four years, said LBS has turned out to be a decent place to deal with, the head mechanic started wrenching bikes back when I did and was a wonderful font of information during the year or so it took me to catch up, and the kid behind the desk is a fairly constant riding partner. And yeah, they know me well enough to know they're never going to sell me a complete bike. They were completely amazed the day I came in and said I wanted to look at the Raleigh Sojurn.
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“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”
H.L. Mencken, (1926)
Syke
“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”
H.L. Mencken, (1926)
#38
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From: Santa Rosa, California
Bikes: Waterford 953 RS-22, several Paramounts
The E-tickets were the tickets for the VERY BEST (most expensive) rides at Disneyland back in the fifties and sixties.
#39
Bottecchia fan

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,520
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
Bikes: 1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo (frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame), 1974 Peugeot UO-8
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1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
#40
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From: Sacramento, California, USA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur
#41
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From: Soviet of Oregon or Pensacola FL
Bikes: Still have a few left!
In 1960, the wife & I stayed at the Disneyland hotel during part of our honeymoon. All our friends had given us an envelope filled with their left over tickets. We had a great time.
#42
Flower Power
Joined: Jul 2008
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From: Little Havana, Miami
Bikes: 1978 Raleigh Sprite Mixte, 1980 Raleigh LTD-3, 1982 Peugeot PH19
And why "It's a Small World" was an E Ticket I'll never know... unless it was for the tormenting staying power of the song in your head.....
#43
Chrome Freak
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,208
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From: Kuna, ID
Bikes: 71 Chrome Paramount P13-9, 73 Opaque Blue Paramount P15, 74 Blue Mink Raleigh Pro, 91 Waterford Paramount, Holland Titanium x2
I had to explain how they used to put the gear shift there, and the car had three forward speeds, usually not synchronized in first so you couldn't shift back without double clutching. More explaining.
My daughter's boyfriend, also 22, is an auto technician and did not know what points and condenser were.
*sigh*
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1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
Holland Titanium Dura Ace Group
Holland Titanium Ultegra Triple Group
#44
The Legitimiser
Joined: Jul 2005
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From: Southampton, UK
Bikes: Gazelle Trim Trophy, EG Bates Track Bike, HR Bates Cantiflex bike, Nigel Dean fixed gear conversion, Raleigh Royal, Falcon Westminster.
It's always been the same. When I was a kid, I liked jazz, 60's soul, and knew a lot about music on a broad base (this was in the 80's). Most other kids I knew didn't know what any of it was, and wouldn't accept that anything could be good if it wasn't in the charts.
Likewise, I knew my old cars, motorcycles, and to a lesser extent, bicycles, but nobody else did. I not only knew what a reel-to-reel was, but how to use one; nobody else did. Most people never look beyond what's in their immediate world - after all, how many of you are knowledgeable about things from 20 years before you were born? I am, but I'll bet I'm in the minority even here.....
Likewise, I knew my old cars, motorcycles, and to a lesser extent, bicycles, but nobody else did. I not only knew what a reel-to-reel was, but how to use one; nobody else did. Most people never look beyond what's in their immediate world - after all, how many of you are knowledgeable about things from 20 years before you were born? I am, but I'll bet I'm in the minority even here.....
#45
Decrepit Member
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 10,488
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From: Santa Rosa, California
Bikes: Waterford 953 RS-22, several Paramounts
It's always been the same. When I was a kid, I liked jazz, 60's soul, and knew a lot about music on a broad base (this was in the 80's). Most other kids I knew didn't know what any of it was, and wouldn't accept that anything could be good if it wasn't in the charts.
Likewise, I knew my old cars, motorcycles, and to a lesser extent, bicycles, but nobody else did. I not only knew what a reel-to-reel was, but how to use one; nobody else did. Most people never look beyond what's in their immediate world - after all, how many of you are knowledgeable about things from 20 years before you were born? I am, but I'll bet I'm in the minority even here.....
Likewise, I knew my old cars, motorcycles, and to a lesser extent, bicycles, but nobody else did. I not only knew what a reel-to-reel was, but how to use one; nobody else did. Most people never look beyond what's in their immediate world - after all, how many of you are knowledgeable about things from 20 years before you were born? I am, but I'll bet I'm in the minority even here.....
#46
Bottecchia fan

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,520
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
Bikes: 1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo (frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame), 1974 Peugeot UO-8
It's always been the same. When I was a kid, I liked jazz, 60's soul, and knew a lot about music on a broad base (this was in the 80's). Most other kids I knew didn't know what any of it was, and wouldn't accept that anything could be good if it wasn't in the charts.
Likewise, I knew my old cars, motorcycles, and to a lesser extent, bicycles, but nobody else did. I not only knew what a reel-to-reel was, but how to use one; nobody else did. Most people never look beyond what's in their immediate world - after all, how many of you are knowledgeable about things from 20 years before you were born? I am, but I'll bet I'm in the minority even here.....
Likewise, I knew my old cars, motorcycles, and to a lesser extent, bicycles, but nobody else did. I not only knew what a reel-to-reel was, but how to use one; nobody else did. Most people never look beyond what's in their immediate world - after all, how many of you are knowledgeable about things from 20 years before you were born? I am, but I'll bet I'm in the minority even here.....
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1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista







