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Old 03-20-09 | 04:34 PM
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My New Build

And my last bike! I looked for one of these for two years, then found a NOS, never built one in my size. It's not the color I would have picked, but I think it came out alright.

I have different cages on order, I don't care for those, but I've been riding it a LOT and need two cages in AZ.

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Old 03-20-09 | 04:54 PM
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1) I KNEW it was going to be a De Rosa
2) Dayum! that is one fine looking bike.

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Old 03-20-09 | 05:08 PM
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Wow, John, great find and great work!! You wouldn't by any chance be bringing that back to AA?
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Old 03-20-09 | 05:19 PM
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Wow, John, great find and great work!! You wouldn't by any chance be bringing that back to AA?
Nope, staying in AZ where it will be ridden more. The Faema De Rosa that you tried out will be coming back to MI.
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I'm going to have to start hoarding Campy 10 speed levers if they are going to use that new 11 speed design across the board. Man, those are hideous looking.

Rest of the bike looks good though.
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I'm going to have to start hoarding Campy 10 speed levers if they are going to use that new 11 speed design across the board. Man, those are hideous looking.

Rest of the bike looks good though.
Hideous?

Have you seen Shimano?

Having both old and new Campagnolo, I will say that I MUCH prefer the new design. Extremely comfortable, and compared to Shimano, well no comparison.

Know what else? They work!

I still have four bikes with vintage components on them, all Campagnolo Record. The comfort factor between the two is beyond comparison. I still ride the vintage, but less and less. I plan on riding my SR equipped Rossin for a long ride this weekend if I can talk a buddy into riding with me.

I'm riding the Rossin so that I have less of an advantage. The new Campy stuff is so good, that even an old fat guy has a leg up when riding it.

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Old 03-20-09 | 08:12 PM
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I've had a DeRosa fetish ever since I first test rode one that I could not afford so many years ago. My goodness that's lovely.
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Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy
Hideous?

Have you seen Shimano?

Having both old and new Campagnolo, I will say that I MUCH prefer the new design. Extremely comfortable, and compared to Shimano, well no comparison.

Know what else? They work!

I still have four bikes with vintage components on them, all Campagnolo Record. The comfort factor between the two is beyond comparison. I still ride the vintage, but less and less. I plan on riding my SR equipped Rossin for a long ride this weekend if I can talk a buddy into riding with me.

I'm riding the Rossin so that I have less of an advantage. The new Campy stuff is so good, that even an old fat guy has a leg up when riding it.

Ask BigBossMan.
Yeah the Shimano is beyond ugly and is why I've been riding the Campy Record and Chorus 10 stuff for the last 10 years. To me that lever is perfection and I hope they keep it in their line. Sorry but the 11 is just ugly to me. And I cannot see how they would work any better than the current 10 speed levers.
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Yeah the Shimano is beyond ugly and is why I've been riding the Campy Record and Chorus 10 stuff for the last 10 years. To me that lever is perfection and I hope they keep it in their line. Sorry but the 11 is just ugly to me. And I cannot see how they would work any better than the current 10 speed levers.
I believe those are 10 speed centaur levers. I think the new design looks incredible, the hoods look way more comfortable than the old ones. I can't afford to get them but I sure would love to try them out.
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I believe those are 10 speed centaur levers. I think the new design looks incredible, the hoods look way more comfortable than the old ones. I can't afford to get them but I sure would love to try them out.
The levers by themselves are about $132 US w/cables from Ribble. A complete grouppo was just over $500, with a cassette.

Worth every penny.

Try going down a 10 mile descent, and then judge.

The new stuff just disappears in your NOT numb hands.


And yes, those are 10 speed 2009 Centaur.

Ask caterham about the 11 speed that he's been 'testing'.
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Old 03-20-09 | 08:48 PM
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Here's the build, for those that care:

Centaur alloy 2009 10 speed grouppo 12-25 cassette, Record 53-39 crankset on Chorus BB
Mavic Reflex Tubulars on Record 32h hubs, Peter White built, DT butted spokes
Continental Competition tubulars
Selle San Marco Regal Girardi perforated saddle atop Campagnolo Record Aero seat post
Cinelli 1R stem 120mm, polished then scuffed, NOS Cinelli 64-40bars, wrapped with Prorace Eleganza tape
Shimano Ultegra 6620 pedals
De Rosa Primato EL OS 54.5 cm square
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A few naive questions, if I may:

1) How (and where) did you find a NOS never-built, in-your-size DeRosa? (I've never seen one, period.)

2) How did you decide upon those particular components?

3) Why a DeRosa?
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That bike is awful and all wrong for you. I will gladly pay the shipping to my house and then I can dispose of the horrid thing properly.
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Originally Posted by Otis
Yeah the Shimano is beyond ugly and is why I've been riding the Campy Record and Chorus 10 stuff for the last 10 years. To me that lever is perfection and I hope they keep it in their line. Sorry but the 11 is just ugly to me. And I cannot see how they would work any better than the current 10 speed levers.
On the note of those levers - I came across these C&V photoshops while looking for a few photos of the new lever design:

https://ruedatropical.wordpress.com/2...shed-c-record/





I dare say they look quite nice w/gum hoods.

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WOW! Very, very nice job.
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Here's the build, for those that care:

Centaur alloy 2009 10 speed grouppo 12-25 cassette, Record 53-39 crankset on Chorus BB
Mavic Reflex Tubulars on Record 32h hubs, Peter White built, DT butted spokes
Continental Competition tubulars
Selle San Marco Regal Girardi perforated saddle atop Campagnolo Record Aero seat post
Cinelli 1R stem 120mm, polished then scuffed, NOS Cinelli 64-40bars, wrapped with Prorace Eleganza tape
Shimano Ultegra 6620 pedals
De Rosa Primato EL OS 54.5 cm square
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The paint and the bike look as awesome as any Dr.Deltron straight-up paint job! I like it!
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A few naive questions, if I may:

1) How (and where) did you find a NOS never-built, in-your-size DeRosa? (I've never seen one, period.)

2) How did you decide upon those particular components?

3) Why a DeRosa?
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So which old bike(s) did you sell off?
The frame and fork were on eBay, but the size was misrepresented. I deduced the real size from the head tube length, which was the only thing the seller could accurately measure.

The components were chosen because I wanted alloy, not carbon, and i wanted Campagnolo 10 speed and didn't want used . I also could not spend a fortune.

Why De Rosa? I saw this comment on the CR list a year or two ago:

I did a nice ride to visit from Verona to Lago Caldonazzo to visit Dario
Pegoretti last year. We chatted about many subjects and I remember in
particular his comments about De Rosa. Dario said that while many builders

could build one perfect bike out of 100, Ugo DeRosa would build 100 perfect
bikes out of 100.


Which bike did I sell? N+1

But I'm done now, I swear. Unless I come into a lot of money, then I'll give Dario a call.
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Old 03-21-09 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy
Hideous?

Have you seen Shimano?

Having both old and new Campagnolo, I will say that I MUCH prefer the new design. Extremely comfortable, and compared to Shimano, well no comparison.

Know what else? They work!

I still have four bikes with vintage components on them, all Campagnolo Record. The comfort factor between the two is beyond comparison. I still ride the vintage, but less and less. I plan on riding my SR equipped Rossin for a long ride this weekend if I can talk a buddy into riding with me.

I'm riding the Rossin so that I have less of an advantage. The new Campy stuff is so good, that even an old fat guy has a leg up when riding it.

Ask BigBossMan.
Trust me, don't let John sandbag you all! The brake levers are NOT the source of John's advantage! At least not when he's in Michigan.

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John....very nice....excellent build. Full Campy with Shimano pedals is how I like it.
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