True Drew Confessions
05-19-09 | 01:52 PM
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True Drew Confessions
kenseth's WHY thread stirred the pot, so time to get it really stewing.
Who's man (or woman) enough to admit that they have drewed a frame. No excuses or reasons allowed. Only what you've done and to.
I'll step up first:
Hacked off the rear derailleur hanger and BB cable guides on a metric size tbing (most likely French) Reynolds 531 frame.
Alright, next?
Who's man (or woman) enough to admit that they have drewed a frame. No excuses or reasons allowed. Only what you've done and to.
I'll step up first:
Hacked off the rear derailleur hanger and BB cable guides on a metric size tbing (most likely French) Reynolds 531 frame.
Alright, next?
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05-19-09 | 02:02 PM
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Makeshift
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From: Ann Arbor, MI
Bikes: 2002 Bianchi Vigorelli, 2002 S-works CX, 1973 Raleigh Super Course conversion, 1979 Raleigh Competition, 1973 Raleigh Professional Track, 1980 Austro Daimler Inter-10
I'll man up. When I first started getting into older frames I was still used to modern componentry. I hated the Weinmann centerpulls on my '76 Raleigh Competition, and I loved my newer Shimano dual pivots. Only problem was they required a recessed nut.
So I found this choice info on Sheldon's site https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_ra-e.html :
I think you can fill in what happened from there. I still have the bike, and it still has the dual pivots (which work great BTW), but if I had to do it over again I'd do anything in my power to avoid drilling.... I turned out to be more of purist than SB...who knew?
So I found this choice info on Sheldon's site https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_ra-e.html :
Originally Posted by Sheldon Brown
Mounting recessed calipers on older frames
Rear: Front calipers for recessed mounting have bolts that are long enough to mount in back, if you substitute the appropriate washers and a 6 mm nut.
Front: Here are 3 options:
1. Drill out the back of the fork crown (8 mm or 5/16 drill bit). This is actually quite easy to do with a handheld electric drill, since you're only enlarging an existing hole.
That's it if you can get two front calipers. Sometimes, you may have to deal with a pair of brakes, with one long and one short bolt. If you used the long one in back, you can use the short one in front two different ways:
2. Drill out the back of the fork crown and use an extra-long recessed nut. These nuts are commonly available for use in carbon fiber forks.
3. Use the short recessed nut, but don't put it through the back of the fork. Instead, push it up into the inside of the steerer from the bottom. You can reach a 5 mm Allen wrench in through the hole in the back of the fork, and poke the short caliper bolt in from the front.
You may need to shorten the recessed nut slightly to get it to fit inside your steerer.
Rear: Front calipers for recessed mounting have bolts that are long enough to mount in back, if you substitute the appropriate washers and a 6 mm nut.
Front: Here are 3 options:
1. Drill out the back of the fork crown (8 mm or 5/16 drill bit). This is actually quite easy to do with a handheld electric drill, since you're only enlarging an existing hole.
That's it if you can get two front calipers. Sometimes, you may have to deal with a pair of brakes, with one long and one short bolt. If you used the long one in back, you can use the short one in front two different ways:
2. Drill out the back of the fork crown and use an extra-long recessed nut. These nuts are commonly available for use in carbon fiber forks.
3. Use the short recessed nut, but don't put it through the back of the fork. Instead, push it up into the inside of the steerer from the bottom. You can reach a 5 mm Allen wrench in through the hole in the back of the fork, and poke the short caliper bolt in from the front.
You may need to shorten the recessed nut slightly to get it to fit inside your steerer.
05-19-09 | 02:07 PM
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P.S.: I painted a '76 Gran Sport gloss black. Original paint was shot.
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05-19-09 | 02:12 PM
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Unique Vintage Steel
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Bikes: Kirk Frameworks JKS-C, Serotta Nova, Gazelle AB-Frame, Fuji Team Issue, Surly Straggler
Repainted and drilled the fork / brake bridge a nearly NOS Centurion Sport DLX. Thats the worst I've committed.
05-19-09 | 02:12 PM
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Makeshift
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From: Ann Arbor, MI
Bikes: 2002 Bianchi Vigorelli, 2002 S-works CX, 1973 Raleigh Super Course conversion, 1979 Raleigh Competition, 1973 Raleigh Professional Track, 1980 Austro Daimler Inter-10
I was young(er) and cocky(er). I thought yuze guys was all a bunch of fuddy-duddies who couldn't bend with the times. I also thought, "Hell, if it's good enough for Sheldon..."
I actually still like how it looks, but the OCD in me says, "You can't undrill, man, you can't undrill." Wish the Tektro R556/800a swapperoo had been an option back then. Live and learn.
Edit: That said, the evolution for me has increasingly been away from needless modification and toward more and more respect for each era of cycling, and the tech that goes along with it (not to mention more and more bicycles in the living room). I guess what I'm trying to say is: "If being a fuddy-duddy is wrong, I don't wanna be right."
Like Picchio Special mentioned in the other 'unfortunate thread,' being a steward of the past is, IMO, a much more rewarding attitude toward cycling than "It's my bike, I'll do what I wanna."
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05-19-09 | 02:15 PM
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Retro Grouch in Waiting
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From: Indianapolis, IN
Bikes: 71 American Eagle semi-Pro, 72 Gitane Tour de France, 78 Fuji S10-S, 84 Club Fuji, '02 Gary Fisher Sugar 1,
I've taken a pipe cutter to a few old Sakae alloy drop bars to turn them into bullhorn bars for some fixed gear conversions, but never hacked a frame. Yet.
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05-19-09 | 02:16 PM
#9
not really a drew I guess, but about a year ago I took a sawzaw to a pug UO8 BB spindle that had a stuck cotter, mainly just to teach it a lesson.
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05-19-09 | 02:17 PM
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Its the earliest, heated Drew (predating the phrase, of course) argument that I can remember on this forum.
Why don't you do the swap on the calipers and run the front nutted, with the Rivendell sleeve adapter? Let me know if you do, and perhaps we can bulk-order those darn things and split the shipping cost - they charge $8 shipping for those little $1/ea sleeves.
-Kurt
Why don't you do the swap on the calipers and run the front nutted, with the Rivendell sleeve adapter? Let me know if you do, and perhaps we can bulk-order those darn things and split the shipping cost - they charge $8 shipping for those little $1/ea sleeves.
-Kurt
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05-19-09 | 02:18 PM
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05-19-09 | 02:22 PM
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Elemental Child
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From: Minnesoter
Bikes: 1989 Schwinn World workhorse, 1979 Trek Summer Bike, 1995 Schwinn Moab that never gets ridden
My '89 Schwinn World has had its hanger and shift cable guides hacked, been repainted, and has been drilled out for dual pivots. I don't really regret any of it, though, considering the shape in which it came to me - a bare frame with awful tiger stripe paint. It serves well as my winter/rain singlespeed beater.
05-19-09 | 02:50 PM
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Bikes: Upright and Recumbent....too many to list, mostly Vintage.
I'm planning to hack a Varsity with a bent top tube this week. I think i'm gonna hack off the top and down tubes and make it into a stool.
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05-19-09 | 03:19 PM
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You have a good memory...too good.
I was young(er) and cocky(er). I thought yuze guys was all a bunch of fuddy-duddies who couldn't bend with the times. I also thought, "Hell, if it's good enough for Sheldon..."
I actually still like how it looks, but the OCD in me says, "You can't undrill, man, you can't undrill." Wish the Tektro R556/800a swapperoo had been an option back then. Live and learn.
Edit: That said, the evolution for me has increasingly been away from needless modification and toward more and more respect for each era of cycling, and the tech that goes along with it (not to mention more and more bicycles in the living room). I guess what I'm trying to say is: "If being a fuddy-duddy is wrong, I don't wanna be right."
Like Picchio Special mentioned in the other 'unfortunate thread,' being a steward of the past is, IMO, a much more rewarding attitude toward cycling than "It's my bike, I'll do what I wanna."
I was young(er) and cocky(er). I thought yuze guys was all a bunch of fuddy-duddies who couldn't bend with the times. I also thought, "Hell, if it's good enough for Sheldon..."
I actually still like how it looks, but the OCD in me says, "You can't undrill, man, you can't undrill." Wish the Tektro R556/800a swapperoo had been an option back then. Live and learn.
Edit: That said, the evolution for me has increasingly been away from needless modification and toward more and more respect for each era of cycling, and the tech that goes along with it (not to mention more and more bicycles in the living room). I guess what I'm trying to say is: "If being a fuddy-duddy is wrong, I don't wanna be right."
Like Picchio Special mentioned in the other 'unfortunate thread,' being a steward of the past is, IMO, a much more rewarding attitude toward cycling than "It's my bike, I'll do what I wanna."
They are not making any more of them. Each find is a relic of that time. (Not to mention if the company in question did reproduce them they'd more likely have silly little touches that will set them apart from the originals like straight forks, threadless headsets, "Aero wheels, etc.
05-19-09 | 03:37 PM
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And I don't consider repainting a truly shot paintjob a "drew"[/QUOTE]
Well, since this was set up as a self-flaggelation thread, let me be clear: I bought my Gran Sport new, and the paint wasn't shot. I guess I wished it was a Competition, so I painted it black. Then a while later I thought red would be cooler so I tried that. Years later I was working with a fabricator who offered to shoot it with Imron for free, so of course I jumped at the chance. Trouble is, he forgot about prepping the frame. One of these days I'll strip it down and get it powdercoated. Turquoise.
And I don't consider repainting a truly shot paintjob a "drew"[/QUOTE]
Well, since this was set up as a self-flaggelation thread, let me be clear: I bought my Gran Sport new, and the paint wasn't shot. I guess I wished it was a Competition, so I painted it black. Then a while later I thought red would be cooler so I tried that. Years later I was working with a fabricator who offered to shoot it with Imron for free, so of course I jumped at the chance. Trouble is, he forgot about prepping the frame. One of these days I'll strip it down and get it powdercoated. Turquoise.
05-19-09 | 03:59 PM
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05-19-09 | 04:02 PM
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Bikes: IRO Mark V, Karate Monkey half fat, Trek 620 IGH, Cannondale 26/24 MTB, Amp Research B3, and more.
I have Drewed two of them:
- a Bridgestone 200 Mixte lost a number of cable stops because I was switching it to IGH and powdercoating it.
- a Rockhopper lost all its braze-ons and its rear canti studs before being powdercoated and turned into the coolest fixed gear city bike of all time.
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- a Bridgestone 200 Mixte lost a number of cable stops because I was switching it to IGH and powdercoating it.
- a Rockhopper lost all its braze-ons and its rear canti studs before being powdercoated and turned into the coolest fixed gear city bike of all time.
jim
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05-19-09 | 04:39 PM
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Bikes: Shogun 800 (had to cull the herd)
I cut the top tube cable guides off a Trek 460 (Tange 1000, double-butted CrMo) and I don't regret it at all. I replaced the hi-ten fork, too. I even crossed out the "460" and wrote "Madone" in paint pen. I don't regret any of it, because I ride the bike every day.
05-19-09 | 04:41 PM
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05-19-09 | 04:48 PM
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From: Fair Oaks, CA
Bikes: 1970 Peugeot U0-8, 1995 KHS Montana Comp Hardtail
I've been lurking here for a while and this seems like as good a time as any to post.
Back in 87 or 88 I became the proud owner of a rusted 1970 Peugeot U08. Of course I didn't know what it was back then, but it was Peugeot and that had to better than the Schwinn I was riding at the time. I stripped it to bare metal, cut off all the braze-on's and rebuilt it like a resto-mod. The only thing original I kept was the Mafac brakes and the Normandy hubs, I chucked everything else. The worst part was I drilled the frame for internal rear brake cable routing (that was all the rage back then) and water bottle mounts.
Looking back that was a pretty stupid thing to do, but I have be riding the crap out of that bike for the last 20 years with no problems. 
Back in 87 or 88 I became the proud owner of a rusted 1970 Peugeot U08. Of course I didn't know what it was back then, but it was Peugeot and that had to better than the Schwinn I was riding at the time. I stripped it to bare metal, cut off all the braze-on's and rebuilt it like a resto-mod. The only thing original I kept was the Mafac brakes and the Normandy hubs, I chucked everything else. The worst part was I drilled the frame for internal rear brake cable routing (that was all the rage back then) and water bottle mounts.
Looking back that was a pretty stupid thing to do, but I have be riding the crap out of that bike for the last 20 years with no problems.
05-19-09 | 05:36 PM
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Never.
I painted two frames, a Japanese Raleigh and a 79 Competition that had paint completely shot. Other than that, I leave my frames alone.
I painted two frames, a Japanese Raleigh and a 79 Competition that had paint completely shot. Other than that, I leave my frames alone.
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05-19-09 | 05:59 PM
#24
I want to use an IGH and dual pivot brakes, so everything had to go.
It was in rough shape when I got it.
It was in rough shape when I got it.
