DiegoFrogs

Noglider: Guys like you are in a particularly tough spot, because visual (edit: my reading of the word "software") and audio materials are so common and easy to steal these days that people justify the theft based on the ease of the transaction. Despite being a talentless hack in both regards, I fully support people in your situation.

On the matter of the catalogs, I tend to agree. The material was produced with the intent of displaying the products to enhance sales. Given away for free, it's promotional material. That you use the catalogs to alert others to the provenance of their 1972 Raleigh Grand Prix's (how is this pluralized?) probably only helps the reputation of the present supplier. But to copy a book that was meant for sale is far beyond fair use.

electrik

Yawn... Pretty sure Sutherland's isn't hoping to make cash off it's 25 year old hand-book, which is probably public domain now or very close to it.

Is somebody just inventing an argument? Do you work for Walt disney Diego?

electrik

You should absolutely NOT be reading that book at the library if you are wishing to observe the spirit of copyright law.

DiegoFrogs

No... Why, are they hiring? Because I'm desperately looking for a job beginning somewhere between June and August.

My point wasn't Sutherland, it was Barnett's. A lot of people though it (the download) was harmless (and I even thought it was kosher), but it wasn't. But if you must know, I won't be clicking on the link for the former, either.

And you have an issue with the long established library system?

If you worked hard to produce something that didn't disappear like a line of blow into the wind, wouldn't you feel entitled to protection? It's no invention, it means something to people who are being wronged.

buck mulligan

For a work published in the United States in 1985, the term of the copyright is the life of the author plus 70 years or, in the case of a work of corporate authorship, the lesser of 95 years from the date of publication or 120 years from the date of creation. There are a few details that can change this calculation (works published between 1977 and 1989 have some different rules depending on the date of creation, whether the copyright was registered, and whether the work carried a copyright notice upon publication), but none of them seem to apply in this case. I believe that Sutherland's is a joint work by several named authors, in which case the work will enter the public domain 70 years after the date of death of the last surviving author - assuming that Disney's lobbyists don't succeed in having the term of copyright extended again between now and then (an assumption I'm not willing to make).

As for the status of works held by the library - this falls under the First Sale Doctrine. If I buy a copy of a work, I may do anything I want with it except infringe on the exclusive rights granted by the Copyright Act (as amended), 17 USC sec. 106. That is, I may not make copies of the work, I may not publicly perform it, I may not publicly display it (a term of art which does not mean what you probably think it means), and I may not create a derivative work. I may, however, lend it out.

One last thing - please do an old copyright attorney a favor, and do not refer to copyright infringement as "stealing." Copyright infringement creates a right to a civil remedy, and it may even in some circumstances be a violation of criminal law, but it is quite distinct from theft, both conceptually and practically.

electrik

My point is, given the spirit of modern copyright laws the library is just a slower version of the internet.

Of course i want to get paid, but i don't want to see the internet and society ********(apparently re tard ed is a naughty word now?) because of my greed. I realize people are going to copy works... it is a part of how poor societies advance. Take South Korea or China... most kids can't pay $100 for a textbook... take Germany of old, they knew so little and stole a lot from the British and French... now look at them. If none of these people learned anything we wouldn't be benefiting from their hard work and they would still be miserable. A lot of copyright law is simple economic warfare. Same with the bicycle mechanic books... you want to charge a person an unfair amount when they can just borrow it from the online library? Meh. I hope you are not surprised. The inevitable "infosphere" is coming, these last gasps of the copy-right industry are just an attempt to poison our well and keep the rug under a certain business model.

noglider 

Thank you, buck mulligan, for weighing in.

electrik, I believe that if you price your work right, people will buy it. A textbook isn't worth $100 to many people, but it's not worth $0 either.

electrik

I agree with that..

bohwaz

Does anyone still has this PDF?

I'm trying to get my hands on this because here in France you can only get a used one for $300 to $2,000. Insane price for a used book. I contacted Sutherland but didn't get any reply.

CV-6 

I have it. Let me look into finding somewhere for it. I no longer have my own domain.

bohwaz

Thanks! I can provide your with a FTP access if needed.

bohwaz

I emailed you the FTP credentials, maybe you'll have to check the Junk folder as my emails often end up there. Sorry I'm answering here as it appears I can't reply to PMs.

willibaldi

Hello,

I've found your old Thread: PDFs of Sutherland's 4th and Barnett's from 2010. I have the 6th edition and I like it, but I can't find the 4th for download. Is it possible to get it from you?
Greetings,

willibaldi