dannyg1 

My inclination is to leave this alone entirely and stand by my claim that this truth is truly inarguable. Fact is that both you and could cite a myriad of specific instances to prove our respective points and argue this ad infinitum. I'm glad that you have found the cycling community at large to be rife with nice and helpful people, I really am. I OTOH, after many years of trying to do my best at being a straightforward and honest collector of cycling related love, have found myself ripped off, abused and otherwise mistreated almost relentlessly precisely because I'm trying to stay true to my interpretation of 'Do unto others'.

It has taken me a very long while to come to acceptance of the fact that people in general are not looking to be helpful, deal honestly or otherwise do well. After dropping two careers because I found the industries so repulsively rife with a'holes that I felt the need to leave the entire pasture to their ugliness in sheer disgust, I found that everywhere else I went looking for a better collection of people in pursuit of something good, there are always too many involved that are willing to lie, cheat, steal and infer poor character on better people, if only to suit their jumping a place in line to buy something.

That I see that true in this internet cycling world, and that Tom see's it in the world of bike swaps should be of no grand surprise.

dannyg1 

dbl post

cia dog

Edgar Allen Poe I presume?

dannyg1 

Thank you for this.

I rest my case.

dannyg1 

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RobbieTunes

I am completely baffled.

What was the question?

USAZorro

I think you might be underestimating the average age of folks here. I did say most, not all.

For the fellow who's had people deal with him dishonestly - sorry to hear that. I'm not in the hobby to make money, and perhaps that explains the differences we've had. There are some people I've learned to not have dealings with (again, this list is rather short), but I have yet to have any transaction met with anything worse than very mild dissatisfaction.

dannyg1 

To make money? I'm not sure what this means as it applies to me and once again, it is just another example of what I'm railing on. I'm a bicycle collector and I have never been anything else in this cycling thing, other than my teenage stint as a shop mechanic. If I were in the industry, I'd have to be either blithe as Hell, or just plain stupid, to post what I wrote earlier in the fashion that I wrote it.

Dannihilator

Sugino has started making the mighty cranks again. Of course they don't look like they used to.

kirke

They don't look like they used to, but still look awesome:


For 2010 they have the Mighty Competition with a 130BCD and Mighty Tour with 110BCD. I have no idea where to get them in the US, though.

https://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/top_02_e.htm

Dannihilator

Any lbs with a bti account should be able to get the sugino mighty's.

Dannihilator

BTI has the 165mm ones in stock in black and silver.

They're JIS taper.

USAZorro

It looked like you said you used to be in the business.

Whatever the reasons for the differences we've had - we've had them. Oh well.


I'll have to look into that Mighty Tour crankset. It doesn't have quite the same look, but having a nice 110 BCD crankset in reserve could come in handy.

jgedwa

You're going N+1 on cranksets now? Cool. You are my kind of guy.

jim

Amani576

(For the sake of arguing) -
A (inflation adjusted) $400 freewheel


And a $400 cassette


So while they may not be making freewheels anymore... they're still targeting the same people with the same money. Campagnolo has only rarely made items for people not interested in racing. And those people rarely have the money to buy a $400 item like this, or the interest to do so.
-Gene-

cudak888 

= $25 pair of Shimano 600 tri-colors at the LBS.

-Kurt

velo-orange

Dannyg1: That I see that true in this internet cycling world, and that Tom see's it in the world of bike swaps should be of no grand surprise.

What do you mean by this? Can you clearify?

dannyg1 

In post 22 of this thread, you were speaking of VO supplying frame builders with new parts and how it's a good arrangement for everyone involved, "Except for the cheapass retro grouches who can haggle down the most desperate of people trying to unload something at a swap meet". I added that I see this kind 'cheap-ass retrogrouch' self interested, morally vacant, me-first bargain hunting practiced in more complex ways on internet cycling boards (and used the example of people pasting negative descriptions to others in order to knock some out of buying positions that the bully can then take, i.e. the term 'dealer' is commonly missapplied on one board I know of).

I added that there always seems to be a collection of disingenuous people who abuse the good intentions of any particular group, to their advantage, loudly throwing mischaractarizations at better intentioned people all the while.