For the love of English 3 speeds...
#4252
multimodal commuter
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NJ, NYC, LI
Posts: 19,808
Bikes: 1940s Fothergill, 1959 Allegro Special, 1963? Claud Butler Olympic Sprint, Lambert 'Clubman', 1974 Fuji "the Ace", 1976 Holdsworth 650b conversion rando bike, 1983 Trek 720 tourer, 1984 Counterpoint Opus II, 1993 Basso Gap, 2010 Downtube 8h, and...
Mentioned: 584 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1908 Post(s)
Liked 574 Times
in
339 Posts
#4253
Cottered Crank
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,401
Bikes: 1954 Raleigh Sports 1974 Raleigh Competition 1969 Raleigh Twenty 1964 Raleigh LTD-3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times
in
8 Posts
I don't have any experience lacing up non-equivalent hubs and rims. The math is hurting my head. 4 holes would be skipped in each flange. Would that be 2 inner and 2 outer spokes missing? 4 open holes 90-degrees apart and then 45-degrees out of phase to the other flange?
I'm intrigued now...
I'm intrigued now...
#4254
multimodal commuter
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NJ, NYC, LI
Posts: 19,808
Bikes: 1940s Fothergill, 1959 Allegro Special, 1963? Claud Butler Olympic Sprint, Lambert 'Clubman', 1974 Fuji "the Ace", 1976 Holdsworth 650b conversion rando bike, 1983 Trek 720 tourer, 1984 Counterpoint Opus II, 1993 Basso Gap, 2010 Downtube 8h, and...
Mentioned: 584 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1908 Post(s)
Liked 574 Times
in
339 Posts
Yes, really, lacing a 32H rim to a 40H hub, is pretty simple.
It's very simple. Out of every five holes on the hub, you use only four.
So for example if you had four holes, they would have leading and trailing spokes like this:
L T L T
but if you had five, they are a little closer together
L T - L T
You end up with two different spoke sizes; one ones next to the empty hole are one or two mm longer than expected; the others are about five mm shorter than expected.
I don't have any experience lacing up non-equivalent hubs and rims. The math is hurting my head. 4 holes would be skipped in each flange. Would that be 2 inner and 2 outer spokes missing? 4 open holes 90-degrees apart and then 45-degrees out of phase to the other flange?
I'm intrigued now...
I'm intrigued now...
So for example if you had four holes, they would have leading and trailing spokes like this:
L T L T
but if you had five, they are a little closer together
L T - L T
You end up with two different spoke sizes; one ones next to the empty hole are one or two mm longer than expected; the others are about five mm shorter than expected.
Last edited by rhm; 04-01-13 at 08:47 AM.
#4255
Get off my lawn!
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Garden State
Posts: 6,031
Bikes: 1917 Loomis, 1923 Rudge, 1930 Hercules Renown, 1947 Mclean, 1948 JA Holland, 1955 Hetchins, 1957 Carlton Flyer, 1962 Raleigh Sport, 1978&81 Raleigh Gomp GS', 2010 Raliegh Clubman
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 93 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 98 Times
in
48 Posts
[QUOTE=rhm;15454431]Please edit your post, it is much too early in the day to come clean about such things. QUOTE]
As you wish...till later
As you wish...till later
#4256
Phyllo-buster
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 8,847
Bikes: roadsters, club bikes, fixed and classic
Mentioned: 133 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2298 Post(s)
Liked 2,055 Times
in
1,255 Posts
Amesja, is it a Sturmey mech inside that Suntour shell? I've never seen one of those
#4257
Cottered Crank
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,401
Bikes: 1954 Raleigh Sports 1974 Raleigh Competition 1969 Raleigh Twenty 1964 Raleigh LTD-3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times
in
8 Posts
The Hub is nearly Identical to a Sturmey-Archer as far as I can tell other than it is stamped SunTour on the outside and the build quality and overall chrome plating is just NICER.
What it looked like when I got it, with a big TDC sticker over the SunTour stamping:
Cleaned up well:
The only parts that showed the slightest bit of rust or discoloring were the cog spacers and the dust cover over the driver, one of the axle nuts and the anti-rotation & lock washers. Considering the shape it was in when I got it, I can't complain. Stuff made in Japan is just BETTER.
What it looked like when I got it, with a big TDC sticker over the SunTour stamping:
Cleaned up well:
The only parts that showed the slightest bit of rust or discoloring were the cog spacers and the dust cover over the driver, one of the axle nuts and the anti-rotation & lock washers. Considering the shape it was in when I got it, I can't complain. Stuff made in Japan is just BETTER.
#4258
Hopelessly addicted...
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Maryland
Posts: 4,955
Bikes: 1949 Hercules Kestrel, 1950 Norman Rapide, 1970 Schwinn Collegiate, 1972 Peugeot UE-8, 1976 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Jack Taylor Tandem, 1984 Davidson Tandem, 2010 Bilenky "BQ" 650B Constructeur Tandem, 2011 Linus Mixte
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times
in
9 Posts
The Hub is nearly Identical to a Sturmey-Archer as far as I can tell other than it is stamped SunTour on the outside and the build quality and overall chrome plating is just NICER.
...snip...
The only parts that showed the slightest bit of rust or discoloring were the cog spacers and the dust cover over the driver, one of the axle nuts and the anti-rotation & lock washers. Considering the shape it was in when I got it, I can't complain. Stuff made in Japan is just BETTER.
...snip...
The only parts that showed the slightest bit of rust or discoloring were the cog spacers and the dust cover over the driver, one of the axle nuts and the anti-rotation & lock washers. Considering the shape it was in when I got it, I can't complain. Stuff made in Japan is just BETTER.
#4259
Cottered Crank
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,401
Bikes: 1954 Raleigh Sports 1974 Raleigh Competition 1969 Raleigh Twenty 1964 Raleigh LTD-3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times
in
8 Posts
The hub seems to be smoother and roll with less internal resistance than a Nottingham hub. When I first took it apart I thought that the planetary gears were chrome-plated. They were THAT shiny. But after going through my parts cleaning regimen they discolored ever so slightly. They are not chromed but simply VERY well machined with polished-smooth surfaces.
Most hubs are gooey inside after a few decades of use and disuse and the internal parts feel just like they have been coated in Cosmoline. Just wiping that off isn't good enough for me. I feel that the goop will slowly dissolve off with new oil on them and contaminate the new oil, hurting performance. So I put all the parts through a "boil-out" process just like one would remove Cosmoline and it works very well, although some metal parts will come out slightly darker. It's worth it, I feel, to get them perfectly clean so they don't back-contaminate the new oil and undo the overhaul. Anyone can take a hub apart and simply wipe it down. But if you don't get that goop off it won't perform as well as it did when new in my view of the world.
But since the planetary gears are so polished and the other gear parts inside that they mesh with are also so well machined and polished I think that this hub has less internal drag than an English-made and even a Styria-made variant.
It's better.
Most hubs are gooey inside after a few decades of use and disuse and the internal parts feel just like they have been coated in Cosmoline. Just wiping that off isn't good enough for me. I feel that the goop will slowly dissolve off with new oil on them and contaminate the new oil, hurting performance. So I put all the parts through a "boil-out" process just like one would remove Cosmoline and it works very well, although some metal parts will come out slightly darker. It's worth it, I feel, to get them perfectly clean so they don't back-contaminate the new oil and undo the overhaul. Anyone can take a hub apart and simply wipe it down. But if you don't get that goop off it won't perform as well as it did when new in my view of the world.
But since the planetary gears are so polished and the other gear parts inside that they mesh with are also so well machined and polished I think that this hub has less internal drag than an English-made and even a Styria-made variant.
It's better.
#4261
Hopelessly addicted...
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Maryland
Posts: 4,955
Bikes: 1949 Hercules Kestrel, 1950 Norman Rapide, 1970 Schwinn Collegiate, 1972 Peugeot UE-8, 1976 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Jack Taylor Tandem, 1984 Davidson Tandem, 2010 Bilenky "BQ" 650B Constructeur Tandem, 2011 Linus Mixte
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times
in
9 Posts
#4262
Cottered Crank
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,401
Bikes: 1954 Raleigh Sports 1974 Raleigh Competition 1969 Raleigh Twenty 1964 Raleigh LTD-3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times
in
8 Posts
I think they would. While I didn't try it things sure looked identical to me. I've mixed and matched Nottingham guts with Styria before. You have to be REALLY careful about the cone nuts on some Nottingham hubs as they don't even match from side to side or from hub to hub -but other than that I think all the major components would be fine matching with each other.
#4263
aka Tom Reingold
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Posts: 40,508
Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem
Mentioned: 511 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7353 Post(s)
Liked 2,480 Times
in
1,439 Posts
A couple of things.
1. I need a couple of sprocket spacers. Yes, a couple. I thought I had a collection of them, but I can't find them. Maybe I used them or gave them away. Anyone got one or two to spare me?
2. My Rudge is handsome and a nice conversation piece, but maybe I won't want it forever. I'm thinking of finding an old lightweight sport-touring frame like a Raleigh International and making a three-speed out of it. It would have upright bars, lightweight fenders and a lightweight chainguard. Basically, it would be a Sports but with tighter geometry and most everything made of aluminum except for the frame, rear hub, and spokes. Anyway, it's just a thought rattling around in my brain. I'm not going to do it any time soon.
1. I need a couple of sprocket spacers. Yes, a couple. I thought I had a collection of them, but I can't find them. Maybe I used them or gave them away. Anyone got one or two to spare me?
2. My Rudge is handsome and a nice conversation piece, but maybe I won't want it forever. I'm thinking of finding an old lightweight sport-touring frame like a Raleigh International and making a three-speed out of it. It would have upright bars, lightweight fenders and a lightweight chainguard. Basically, it would be a Sports but with tighter geometry and most everything made of aluminum except for the frame, rear hub, and spokes. Anyway, it's just a thought rattling around in my brain. I'm not going to do it any time soon.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
#4264
Bicycle Repair Man !!!
Thread Starter
Sturmey Archer made hubs for Suntour and the Japanese market to compete with Shimano's 3 speed hubs, the only difference between the SA and Suntour is in the hub shell.
#4265
Bicycle Repair Man !!!
Thread Starter
Another 3 speed... these damn things breed like rabbits here.
1976 Raleigh 20... I have an ever growing list of folks who want one and this one has a lineup forming already.
1976 Raleigh 20... I have an ever growing list of folks who want one and this one has a lineup forming already.
#4266
aka Tom Reingold
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Posts: 40,508
Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem
Mentioned: 511 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7353 Post(s)
Liked 2,480 Times
in
1,439 Posts
Sixty Fiver, where do you get them?
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog
“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author
Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
#4267
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: San Gabriel, So Cal
Posts: 8
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Hi folks! I hope this is the right place for this: I've had this oddball bike in my possession for around 25 years.
I got it at a yard sale, bought it because of the reynolds 531 sticker on the seat tube. Rode it for a bit, then put it up and rode my Super Course instead. I'd always assumed that it was just some kind of mongrel that someone had slapped together, I couldn't fathom a light frameset with that heavy steel crank, wheels, headset and gooseneck, plus the 3 speed hub.
So I recently pulled it out of the rafters and took a look and tried to find out something about it-that's when I found pictures of remarkably similar bikes in this thread. I'd love to know some details about the bike, an aproximate valuation, and advice on whether I should attempt to restore, upgrade or pass it along to an actual enthusiast who may do the bike more justice than I could. So on to the pictures-sorry for tge crappy cel phone quality. And sorry for the way the saddle is just propped on the bike-the clamp somehow went missing.
I think the orange is a repaint.
thank you in advance for any input!
Baz
I got it at a yard sale, bought it because of the reynolds 531 sticker on the seat tube. Rode it for a bit, then put it up and rode my Super Course instead. I'd always assumed that it was just some kind of mongrel that someone had slapped together, I couldn't fathom a light frameset with that heavy steel crank, wheels, headset and gooseneck, plus the 3 speed hub.
So I recently pulled it out of the rafters and took a look and tried to find out something about it-that's when I found pictures of remarkably similar bikes in this thread. I'd love to know some details about the bike, an aproximate valuation, and advice on whether I should attempt to restore, upgrade or pass it along to an actual enthusiast who may do the bike more justice than I could. So on to the pictures-sorry for tge crappy cel phone quality. And sorry for the way the saddle is just propped on the bike-the clamp somehow went missing.
I think the orange is a repaint.
thank you in advance for any input!
Baz
#4269
Bicycle Repair Man !!!
Thread Starter
#4270
Get off my lawn!
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Garden State
Posts: 6,031
Bikes: 1917 Loomis, 1923 Rudge, 1930 Hercules Renown, 1947 Mclean, 1948 JA Holland, 1955 Hetchins, 1957 Carlton Flyer, 1962 Raleigh Sport, 1978&81 Raleigh Gomp GS', 2010 Raliegh Clubman
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 93 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 98 Times
in
48 Posts
Monolithik- very nice Raleigh! Welcome to the C&V. It sure looks ainted up to look like a Super Sport. Lots of mixed parts. GB levers, new(er) bars and calipers. But the Frame, fork, crank and headclip look to be Raleigh Pre /early post War stuff. Maybe a Lenten Sport? It's a keeper!
#4271
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Detroit
Posts: 10,303
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 43 Times
in
33 Posts
Hi Monolithik -
I like your orange Raleigh. - I'm not sure what it is but Velognome may be right. or maybe it's a Lenton Clubman(?)
The bb Serial number gives it away as a 1951, and it's obviously a repaint but very cool.
I like your orange Raleigh. - I'm not sure what it is but Velognome may be right. or maybe it's a Lenton Clubman(?)
The bb Serial number gives it away as a 1951, and it's obviously a repaint but very cool.
__________________
- Auchen
- Auchen
#4272
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: San Gabriel, So Cal
Posts: 8
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Thank you gents!
By following your leads, I was able to dig up a bit more info to steer me in the right direction. The following info is from an article on the Raleigh Lentons by Peter C. Kohler:
For the 1952 model year, the Raleigh Clubman, Rudge Aero Clubman and Humber Beeston Clubman were replaced by the new Raleigh Super Lenton,no. 27, Rudge Aero Special no. 127 and Humber Streak no. 327. These top-of-the-line racing machines were star attractions at the December 1951 London Bicycle and Motor Cycle Show. A reworked version of the Clubman, the new model came in both a 22" and a 23" frame (gents only) with 73° head and 71° seat angles with Reynolds 531 frame and fork, alloy caliper brakes with alloy hood levers, alloy Maes bend handlebars on a steel stem and steel Dunlop HP 27" rims with Raleigh quick release hubs. A Brooks B-15 "Flyer" saddle and celluloid mudguards were fitted. Finished in either Flamboyant Electric Blue or Lustre Orange, the Super Lenton initially lacked the chromed rear triangle and fork ends of the Clubman and was supplied as single gear machine with optional Sturmey Archer gears.
There is also a chart which lists some specs by model and year.
Mine has the alloy brakes, steel, not rubber pedals, 27" steel rims, 531 frame, Maes bars,fluted cranks.I don't know what brand the saddle is, I cant decipher the logo from the pics, but I'll try to find out on wednesday when I get back to my shop.
Thanks again for the help-and please chime in if I'm way off base thinking this might be a Super Lenton.
Baz
By following your leads, I was able to dig up a bit more info to steer me in the right direction. The following info is from an article on the Raleigh Lentons by Peter C. Kohler:
For the 1952 model year, the Raleigh Clubman, Rudge Aero Clubman and Humber Beeston Clubman were replaced by the new Raleigh Super Lenton,no. 27, Rudge Aero Special no. 127 and Humber Streak no. 327. These top-of-the-line racing machines were star attractions at the December 1951 London Bicycle and Motor Cycle Show. A reworked version of the Clubman, the new model came in both a 22" and a 23" frame (gents only) with 73° head and 71° seat angles with Reynolds 531 frame and fork, alloy caliper brakes with alloy hood levers, alloy Maes bend handlebars on a steel stem and steel Dunlop HP 27" rims with Raleigh quick release hubs. A Brooks B-15 "Flyer" saddle and celluloid mudguards were fitted. Finished in either Flamboyant Electric Blue or Lustre Orange, the Super Lenton initially lacked the chromed rear triangle and fork ends of the Clubman and was supplied as single gear machine with optional Sturmey Archer gears.
There is also a chart which lists some specs by model and year.
Mine has the alloy brakes, steel, not rubber pedals, 27" steel rims, 531 frame, Maes bars,fluted cranks.I don't know what brand the saddle is, I cant decipher the logo from the pics, but I'll try to find out on wednesday when I get back to my shop.
Thanks again for the help-and please chime in if I'm way off base thinking this might be a Super Lenton.
Baz
#4273
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Flanders, Belgium
Posts: 163
Bikes: 1949 Raleigh Sports (keeping original), 1946 Raleigh Sports (too tatty, will be updated)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Nice NOS 26TPI wingnuts on Ebay:
https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...E:B:SS:GB:1123
https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...E:B:SS:GB:1123
#4274
Hopelessly addicted...
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Maryland
Posts: 4,955
Bikes: 1949 Hercules Kestrel, 1950 Norman Rapide, 1970 Schwinn Collegiate, 1972 Peugeot UE-8, 1976 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Jack Taylor Tandem, 1984 Davidson Tandem, 2010 Bilenky "BQ" 650B Constructeur Tandem, 2011 Linus Mixte
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times
in
9 Posts
Thank you gents!
By following your leads, I was able to dig up a bit more info to steer me in the right direction. The following info is from an article on the Raleigh Lentons by Peter C. Kohler:
For the 1952 model year, the Raleigh Clubman, Rudge Aero Clubman and Humber Beeston Clubman were replaced by the new Raleigh Super Lenton,no. 27, Rudge Aero Special no. 127 and Humber Streak no. 327. These top-of-the-line racing machines were star attractions at the December 1951 London Bicycle and Motor Cycle Show. A reworked version of the Clubman, the new model came in both a 22" and a 23" frame (gents only) with 73° head and 71° seat angles with Reynolds 531 frame and fork, alloy caliper brakes with alloy hood levers, alloy Maes bend handlebars on a steel stem and steel Dunlop HP 27" rims with Raleigh quick release hubs. A Brooks B-15 "Flyer" saddle and celluloid mudguards were fitted. Finished in either Flamboyant Electric Blue or Lustre Orange, the Super Lenton initially lacked the chromed rear triangle and fork ends of the Clubman and was supplied as single gear machine with optional Sturmey Archer gears.
There is also a chart which lists some specs by model and year.
Mine has the alloy brakes, steel, not rubber pedals, 27" steel rims, 531 frame, Maes bars,fluted cranks.I don't know what brand the saddle is, I cant decipher the logo from the pics, but I'll try to find out on wednesday when I get back to my shop.
Thanks again for the help-and please chime in if I'm way off base thinking this might be a Super Lenton.
Baz
By following your leads, I was able to dig up a bit more info to steer me in the right direction. The following info is from an article on the Raleigh Lentons by Peter C. Kohler:
For the 1952 model year, the Raleigh Clubman, Rudge Aero Clubman and Humber Beeston Clubman were replaced by the new Raleigh Super Lenton,no. 27, Rudge Aero Special no. 127 and Humber Streak no. 327. These top-of-the-line racing machines were star attractions at the December 1951 London Bicycle and Motor Cycle Show. A reworked version of the Clubman, the new model came in both a 22" and a 23" frame (gents only) with 73° head and 71° seat angles with Reynolds 531 frame and fork, alloy caliper brakes with alloy hood levers, alloy Maes bend handlebars on a steel stem and steel Dunlop HP 27" rims with Raleigh quick release hubs. A Brooks B-15 "Flyer" saddle and celluloid mudguards were fitted. Finished in either Flamboyant Electric Blue or Lustre Orange, the Super Lenton initially lacked the chromed rear triangle and fork ends of the Clubman and was supplied as single gear machine with optional Sturmey Archer gears.
There is also a chart which lists some specs by model and year.
Mine has the alloy brakes, steel, not rubber pedals, 27" steel rims, 531 frame, Maes bars,fluted cranks.I don't know what brand the saddle is, I cant decipher the logo from the pics, but I'll try to find out on wednesday when I get back to my shop.
Thanks again for the help-and please chime in if I'm way off base thinking this might be a Super Lenton.
Baz
Out of curiosity, does it have 26" or 27" wheels?
EDIT: The Clubman was not DB 531 but was straight gauge as rhm states.
Last edited by photogravity; 04-02-13 at 07:09 AM. Reason: Correction on tubing
#4275
multimodal commuter
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NJ, NYC, LI
Posts: 19,808
Bikes: 1940s Fothergill, 1959 Allegro Special, 1963? Claud Butler Olympic Sprint, Lambert 'Clubman', 1974 Fuji "the Ace", 1976 Holdsworth 650b conversion rando bike, 1983 Trek 720 tourer, 1984 Counterpoint Opus II, 1993 Basso Gap, 2010 Downtube 8h, and...
Mentioned: 584 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1908 Post(s)
Liked 574 Times
in
339 Posts
The lugs and chromed fork ends on Baz's bike are all consistent with a Clubman of that period. The Super Lenton, as far as I can tell from some bad photos on the internet, had different lugs. Baz's bike also has aluminum brakes and handlebar, as well as the chain ring with heron heads, all of which point to a Clubman.
I'm not sure how much weight to put on the lug designs used; I've seen Lenton Sports with both fancy lugs (as on Baz's) and plain. But Baz's bike has enough Clubman features to make me pretty confident that's what he has.
Baz, I have that same saddle and have not figured out the stamp on it either. Two letters, the first maybe E or F, and the second obviously S, between the words "TRADE MARK." I'm thinking it's a Japanese saddle from the 70's, on account of the frame design, but I'm not certain about this yet.
If you decide to repaint your Raleigh, you can get the correct decals from H. Lloyd Cycles.
Last edited by rhm; 04-02-13 at 06:38 AM.