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Old 12-08-14, 07:11 AM
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I did some reading last night, and it looks like clutch only sees any significant wear from high gear, which I'm not using super often and haven't had too many problems with. I'll leave it for now and wait until it causes a problem.
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Originally Posted by agmetal
How much wear is ok before it needs to be replaced?
The AW is known as being pretty reliable. If your hub acts anything different from the usual descriptions under normal use, you have your answer.
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Very interesting...after last night's cleaning and re-lubing, it started off fine, then started scraping again after a mile or so of riding. This is pretty much in line with what it's been doing, which makes me think there's some kind of heat expansion going on somewhere...although this morning is the coldest it's been so far this season.
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What was the smallest size frame these 3-speeds came in? I have a 19" Sports ladies frame but it's too big for my 5'0" wife.
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Originally Posted by noglider
@markk900, no, the clutch is a wear item. It can require replacement from wear, but I'm not an expert on when. I'd say when it causes a problem.
Had to go re-visualize it and of course you are right Tom....the clutch transfers the power from the driver so it would be exposed to wear....
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Originally Posted by agmetal
Very interesting...after last night's cleaning and re-lubing, it started off fine, then started scraping again after a mile or so of riding. This is pretty much in line with what it's been doing, which makes me think there's some kind of heat expansion going on somewhere...although this morning is the coldest it's been so far this season.
I had a minor epiphany upon leaving work this evening, and I think I know what's wrong. Not gonna post my theory until I've tested it (so probably tomorrow morning), but I'm gonna be pretty embarrassed if it's what I think it is.
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Originally Posted by Narhay
What was the smallest size frame these 3-speeds came in? I have a 19" Sports ladies frame but it's too big for my 5'0" wife.
Raleigh Colt came in 18" frames, such as this one on eBay.
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Originally Posted by agmetal
I had a minor epiphany upon leaving work this evening, and I think I know what's wrong. Not gonna post my theory until I've tested it (so probably tomorrow morning), but I'm gonna be pretty embarrassed if it's what I think it is.
Yeeeaaaaahhhh...I'm a little embarrassed here. Basically, my scraping sound was a product of not having the left side bearing adjusted properly. I was having difficulty fitting the cone wrench between the hub and the spacer washer, and then not getting the lock nut to jam against it tightly enough. As a result, it would feel fine for a little while, and eventually slip out of adjustment and start rubbing...I'm not 100% sure what exact parts were rubbing against each other, but after fighting with the adjustment for a while last night, I had a much smoother ride to and from work, with no scraping in ~18 miles' worth of riding in the rain, along with the bike sitting out in it all day.
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@agmetal, that's good to know.
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Originally Posted by noglider
@markk900, no, the clutch is a wear item. It can require replacement from wear, but I'm not an expert on when. I'd say when it causes a problem.
The clutch probably wears faster than anything else but even then you are looking at a long service interval or after subjecting the hub to great deals of abuse and neglect... if you pull apart an AW for servicing and have replacement clutches then it is not a bad idea to replace it since they are not expensive.
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I guess I'm missing something here. The AW's have clutches? I thought they were all-gear.
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
The clutch probably wears faster than anything else but even then you are looking at a long service interval or after subjecting the hub to great deals of abuse and neglect... if you pull apart an AW for servicing and have replacement clutches then it is not a bad idea to replace it since they are not expensive.
Well put. The pawls and pawl springs, on the other hand, are a tougher call, since they're tricky to replace.
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I guess I'm missing something here. The AW's have clutches? I thought they were all-gear.
It's not a clutch like a car clutch which you slip in gradually. This one is in or out. But shifting under load will wear it out, especially if the load is high.
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
The clutch probably wears faster than anything else but even then you are looking at a long service interval or after subjecting the hub to great deals of abuse and neglect...
I've had more problems with axle keys failing than clutches wearing.
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I have dealt with a few broken axle keys too but this is not really a wear issue.
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Originally Posted by Narhay
What was the smallest size frame these 3-speeds came in? I have a 19" Sports ladies frame but it's too big for my 5'0" wife.
Originally Posted by nlerner
Raleigh Colt came in 18" frames, such as this one on eBay.
The Space Rider, which has a 16" frame and 24" wheels, may work for a shorter rider. It might be too small, but there are some petite women who ride them. There's a picture of my daughter with one somewhere in this thread...
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Originally Posted by noglider
Well put. The pawls and pawl springs, on the other hand, are a tougher call, since they're tricky to replace.

It's not a clutch like a car clutch which you slip in gradually. This one is in or out. But shifting under load will wear it out, especially if the load is high.
Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, I was picturing a wet clutch that is a "consumable" part.
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Originally Posted by Narhay
What was the smallest size frame these 3-speeds came in? I have a 19" Sports ladies frame but it's too big for my 5'0" wife.
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Raleigh Colt came in 18" frames, such as this one on eBay.
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The Space Rider, which has a 16" frame and 24" wheels, may work for a shorter rider. It might be too small, but there are some petite women who ride them. There's a picture of my daughter with one somewhere in this thread...
My wife is a bit over 5' and rides the Colt just fine, I have looked for a Space Rider but haven't had any luck sourcing one. Her beach cruiser has 24" wheels on it, but she does fine on the Colts. She has two Colts now and a Twenty.

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My wife is a bit over 5' and rides the Colt just fine, I have looked for a Space Rider but haven't had any luck sourcing one. Her beach cruiser has 24" wheels on it, but she does fine on the Colts. She has two Colts now and a Twenty.

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My wife and I also have a set of green 20's... can you imagine the double date ?

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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
My wife and I also have a set of green 20's... can you imagine the double date ?

We definitely would stand out... would that be a herd or a gaggle?

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
We definitely would stand out... would that be a herd or a gaggle?

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I believe a group of 20's is called a clutch.
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Self-restraint paid off yesterday. I thought all I had was a garden-variety chain-came-off-rear sprocket incident (1962 Phillips with Sturmey-Archer 3-speed), and was perplexed when I couldn't get it back on by putting it in place and then turning the cranks, nothing would move at all, sprocket wouldn't rotate.

So I considered just using a little more force, like pushing on the higher pedal. Nada.

Then (late for where I was headed, a short trip) I considered using a LOT of force, like really kicking or standing on the high pedal. But, I didn't. Don't ask me why, it's my usual "hammer mechanic" response, but I didn't. Something looked "wrong". It was the sprocket, it was cockeyed. Oh NO says I, something is fractured or broken, I'll need a new hub, where can i find one, why me God? (typical reaction).

But to my surprise, and acting against type, I actually calmed down, walked bike home, used car instead, then took the wheel off later. Turns out all it was, was the circlip had come free of the hub, and the sprocket was off the axle and out of position, so the chain jammed between it and the seat stay. The circlip probably was caught by a too-loose chain as it came off the sprocket followed by the sprocket coming free too. Nothing was damaged (because I hadn't tried to force it) and getting the clip back on wasn't easy, but after a few minutes with improvised tools, it finally snapped back on.

Now it's good as "new" I think (I've had this bike since new when I was a kid, no one ever stole it and gradually it has become "vintage", lucky me). And not losing my temper and breaking chain, clip, or even sprocket, paid off. Note to self, try this self-restraint thing a little more often?

Anyway, that was my lesson in character-building and shade-tree bike mechanics, courtesy of this reliable old bike. For you gearheads (which I definitely am not) the part was the K 463 Circlip pictured, though of course I did not look it up til today:

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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
I've had more problems with axle keys failing than clutches wearing.
Same here- I've had a couple axle keys break over the years, but only had to replace one clutch.
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Three Fall Favourites.
Now that fall has arrived here in Canada it's time to think about putting the bikes away. I'm not an all season rider. These three 3 speeds are my everyday bikes with the Canadian built Superbe seeing the most action. I've probably spent the most money on the Superbe over the years from initial purchase @ $160.00 to adding new tires/chain/pedals/pump/brake pads etc.The vintage saddle bag was $10.00 and the vintage Brooks saddle $80.00.

From the left: 1964 Glider, 1973 Raleigh Superbe and a 1967 Dunelt.
I like to add some oil to the hub and pump up the tires before they're retired for the season. Also, I leave the shifter in the 3rd position to take the tension off the indicator chain.The bikes are hung in the garage and I will occasionally go out and give the back wheel a spin and run through the gears just to circulate the oil. Also, a little Proofide can be applied to the saddle(s).


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Here's an interesting Craigslist post I learned of through the Gentlemen Cyclist list:

Raleigh DL1 Tourist roadster

Raleigh DL1 Tourist roadster - $200 (Lakeville )

Over the summer of 2014 I sold a very nice Raleigh DL1 with rod brakes. I believe it was a 76 (see picture) and I had put a lot of time and money into the bike. I sold it because I was moving out of state. Long story short, the move never happened.

I know it may be corny or tacky, but I am making this post in hopes that maybe the buyer will see it. I am curious if you would sell the bike back to me? I would be willing to pay more than what I had sold it for. Its the biggest sellers remorse I've gone through. Corny, I know.

Or if anyone else is reading this and you have one for sale, maybe we can work a deal.
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